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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6960 on: September 08, 2017, 12:27:32 PM »
Yeah, same. I had to deal with a similar situation, and I never did get to the bottom of it, but that teacher only succeeded in making herself appear very unprofessional and childish, even to fellow KTs. They just didn't tell her so to her face, although she had other personality issues that made her unpopular with the other KTs in general.

It's also possible that this woman has a higher than usual anxiety issue to include an unreasonable fear of speaking in English, even when the risk is low to nonexistent.

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« Reply #6961 on: September 08, 2017, 12:29:54 PM »
One of my CTs refuses to sit next to me at lunch and I have no idea why.

It sounds really petty, and honestly I didn't care very much at first, but it's starting to seem a little mean spirited.

We sit at a table with several other teachers. We all sit wherever we want and get up and leave whenever we want, there is no usual seating chart although I do tend to set on the end with one of my other CTs since we both eat fast and leave early. Other teachers sit next to me no problem although I know they'd probably like to sit next to the teachers they are more friendly with. Really though, not much chatting goes on, and the CT who this comment is about is definitely not a big talker. But she does things like taking the only empty chair next to me and moving it to a spot on the other side of the table that's missing a chair and sitting there instead of just sitting next to me like anyone else would. She has done this a couple of times, moving chairs or sitting in inconvenient places so she doesn't have to sit next to me. I didn't care at first but when she does these things it's kind of embarrassing because it's really obvious what she's doing, and the other teachers probably wonder why my direct coworker is avoiding me at lunch.


Like I said, it sounds soooo petty but I have to admit it's slightly hurtful when she does things like moving the chair or sitting at some weird uncomfortable corner spot where no one else ever sits and the only other open seat is next to me. She's been doing this since I got to this school so I don't think I did anything to piss her off. The way she set things up for our class is I run the whole thing alone and she "helps" so I never even have to talk to her about lesson planning. When I go to teach in her room, she always leaves the class during break time and comes back several minutes into class so we have no small talk or even any greetings.  I'm not a big talker so it's not like I go out of my way to say much more than the standard polite things, she doesn't have to avoid me out of fear of speaking English... Is being around me really so terrible? Geez.

Maybe I'm too sensitive but just the fact that she's a grown woman avoiding me like I'm a damn leper makes me a little angry. I've never had any co-Ts act like this before, so it doesn't seem very mature or professional.

Sevenpm, don't worry about it, she is the problem not you.  If she is strange with you then I'd expect she is like that with everyone.  If you have a nice relationship with others, then it doesn't matter.  I thought my 'special' co-teacher at elementary school was just dipsy and hopeless with me, but all teachers thought she was strange, and she had zero coneection with the students.  I suspected some form of Aspergers. 

Years ago, I got told off by an art teacher because I talked too much at lunch.   ;D
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« Reply #6962 on: September 08, 2017, 01:04:50 PM »
Yeah, a long time ago, I got told that it wasn't polite to speak English at lunch because not everyone can understand it.

On the bright side, you don't have to talk to your CT at lunch. Which is pretty awesome.

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« Reply #6963 on: September 08, 2017, 01:07:47 PM »
One of my CTs refuses to sit next to me at lunch and I have no idea why.

It sounds really petty, and honestly I didn't care very much at first, but it's starting to seem a little mean spirited.

We sit at a table with several other teachers. We all sit wherever we want and get up and leave whenever we want, there is no usual seating chart although I do tend to set on the end with one of my other CTs since we both eat fast and leave early. Other teachers sit next to me no problem although I know they'd probably like to sit next to the teachers they are more friendly with. Really though, not much chatting goes on, and the CT who this comment is about is definitely not a big talker. But she does things like taking the only empty chair next to me and moving it to a spot on the other side of the table that's missing a chair and sitting there instead of just sitting next to me like anyone else would. She has done this a couple of times, moving chairs or sitting in inconvenient places so she doesn't have to sit next to me. I didn't care at first but when she does these things it's kind of embarrassing because it's really obvious what she's doing, and the other teachers probably wonder why my direct coworker is avoiding me at lunch.


Like I said, it sounds soooo petty but I have to admit it's slightly hurtful when she does things like moving the chair or sitting at some weird uncomfortable corner spot where no one else ever sits and the only other open seat is next to me. She's been doing this since I got to this school so I don't think I did anything to piss her off. The way she set things up for our class is I run the whole thing alone and she "helps" so I never even have to talk to her about lesson planning. When I go to teach in her room, she always leaves the class during break time and comes back several minutes into class so we have no small talk or even any greetings.  I'm not a big talker so it's not like I go out of my way to say much more than the standard polite things, she doesn't have to avoid me out of fear of speaking English... Is being around me really so terrible? Geez.

Maybe I'm too sensitive but just the fact that she's a grown woman avoiding me like I'm a damn leper makes me a little angry. I've never had any co-Ts act like this before, so it doesn't seem very mature or professional.

If I had to guess, she's insecure about being bad at English and doesn't want to lose face.
If you had to strike up a conversation with her, in front of the students or her co-workers, and she found herself unable to communicate, it'll probably be extremely embarrassing for her... and rightly so.


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« Reply #6964 on: September 08, 2017, 01:18:17 PM »
Yeah, a long time ago, I got told that it wasn't polite to speak English at lunch because not everyone can understand it.

Is it not also rude to socially exclude people with whom you're lunching :cry:

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« Reply #6965 on: September 08, 2017, 01:19:06 PM »
I wish my school would get whiteboards.

Thousands spent on ridiculous white floors, USB magnifying projectors (because they are useful for something) and touch screen overlays on the existing TVs, but they still wont change the main tool in the classroom.
Some of the boards are so bad that students can't see when something is written in white chalk.

GET.WHITEBOARDS.!!!!  :evil:

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« Reply #6966 on: September 08, 2017, 01:36:56 PM »
Yeah, a long time ago, I got told that it wasn't polite to speak English at lunch because not everyone can understand it.

Is it not also rude to socially exclude people with whom you're lunching :cry:

Haha. Everyone knows foreigners aren't people.

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« Reply #6967 on: September 08, 2017, 01:37:57 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

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« Reply #6968 on: September 08, 2017, 01:41:33 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.


It wasn't me but i asked this on my POE page and got fully shot down. Even by people who actually do their own NEIS work.

It's too hard. Just leave it to them.

It's not our jobs etc.  >:( >:( >:( :evil: :evil:

So despite asking, I still don't know how to do it.

Well how the F did they learn?

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« Reply #6969 on: September 08, 2017, 01:44:26 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

The comment was likely from a handler who sees his/her control being eroded.

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« Reply #6970 on: September 08, 2017, 01:46:19 PM »
The comment was likely from a handler who sees his/her control being eroded.


It was a NET.   :lipsrsealed:

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« Reply #6971 on: September 08, 2017, 01:48:06 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.


It wasn't me but i asked this on my POE page and got fully shot down. Even by people who actually do their own NEIS work.

It's too hard. Just leave it to them.

It's not our jobs etc.  >:( >:( >:( :evil: :evil:

So despite asking, I still don't know how to do it.

Well how the F did they learn?

The interesting thing is, in our group there's already a tutorial for how to do it so apparently the person commenting was unaware or didn't care.  The OP apparently found it after searching though, maybe that's why comments were closed. 

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« Reply #6973 on: September 08, 2017, 02:09:09 PM »
For a country that loves alcohol, people here sure don't know that much about it.

Someone tried to tell me that I shouldn't drink water while I'm drinking alcohol, or else it will make my hangover worse, and that alcohol is a great sleep-aid  :rolleyes: People who are dieting don't seem to care that alcohol has calories. People who go on about how they hate drugs and would never smoke a joint also don't seem to understand that alcohol is a drug that can be addictive, habit forming, and that alcohol negatively affects your body, short term and long term.

I mean, I like drinking! That's totally fine if people wish to partake, but how do the people I know who so spend much time/money on booze lack the basic knowledge of what it is...?

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« Reply #6974 on: September 08, 2017, 02:19:08 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

People who say things like that are literally dumb. Not dumb because they don't understand NEIS - NEIS is kind of confusing without a cheat sheet and some practice. No, they're dumb because they're literally trusting every aspect of their leave, holiday, vacation, etc to another person. Another person who may or may not care enough to enter things properly, keep track of everything, and so on.

Why would you ever trust someone with all of that unless you were really, really completely brand new to working here?

That's like people who don't look at their pay slips.

In both cases, odds are that nobody's out to bone you on NEIS or on your paycheck, but human error does happen, and if you're not checking, you don't know what's the haps.

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« Reply #6975 on: September 08, 2017, 02:22:41 PM »
For a country that loves alcohol, people here sure don't know that much about it.

Someone tried to tell me that I shouldn't drink water while I'm drinking alcohol, or else it will make my hangover worse, and that alcohol is a great sleep-aid  :rolleyes: People who are dieting don't seem to care that alcohol has calories. People who go on about how they hate drugs and would never smoke a joint also don't seem to understand that alcohol is a drug that can be addictive, habit forming, and that alcohol negatively affects your body, short term and long term.

I mean, I like drinking! That's totally fine if people wish to partake, but how do the people I know who so spend much time/money on booze lack the basic knowledge of what it is...?

How do people spend so much of their life eating and not know about basic nutrition? Or how do people live without knowing basic biology? You'd be shocked by how absolutely unmotivated some people can be to learn anything.

That water thing is weird. Never heard that. But yeah, nobody seems to get that alcohol is liquid calorie juice. For a place that's as preoccupied with being thin as Korea, why does literally nowhere have diet Coke or Coke Zero at bars? And bars never have sparkling water or club soda, either. It's ridiculous.

Peeps be dumb.

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« Reply #6976 on: September 08, 2017, 02:23:47 PM »
For a country that loves alcohol, people here sure don't know that much about it.

Someone tried to tell me that I shouldn't drink water while I'm drinking alcohol, or else it will make my hangover worse, and that alcohol is a great sleep-aid  :rolleyes: People who are dieting don't seem to care that alcohol has calories. People who go on about how they hate drugs and would never smoke a joint also don't seem to understand that alcohol is a drug that can be addictive, habit forming, and that alcohol negatively affects your body, short term and long term.

I mean, I like drinking! That's totally fine if people wish to partake, but how do the people I know who so spend much time/money on booze lack the basic knowledge of what it is...?

I had someone tell me that drinking water with booze will make you drunk faster.

..............................dilution, no? That's why we cut straight vodka with distilled water until it reaches 40% ABV. Same in your stomach.

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« Reply #6977 on: September 08, 2017, 02:45:16 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

i have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

but anyway, it's fine for me and you because we both understand a decent amount of korean. the problem is that if the NEIS work is passed off to the NET then it creates the expectation that all subsequent NETs at that school should be able to do it. imagine a person fresh off the boat who can't even read hangeul trying to fumble around the system. it would be disastrous. then when they ask for help there'll be sighs, and moans, and grumbles about how the new NET can't do anything, and how Yirj teacher could do her NEIS with no problems so why can't the new NET.

the actual NEIS training manual for the korean teachers is like the size of War and Peace or something ridiculous.

i think it's better that the korean teachers have the expectation that they are responsible for doing the NET's NEIS stuff, will cause less problems in general.

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« Reply #6978 on: September 08, 2017, 02:56:37 PM »
For a country that loves alcohol, people here sure don't know that much about it.

Someone tried to tell me that I shouldn't drink water while I'm drinking alcohol, or else it will make my hangover worse, and that alcohol is a great sleep-aid  :rolleyes: People who are dieting don't seem to care that alcohol has calories. People who go on about how they hate drugs and would never smoke a joint also don't seem to understand that alcohol is a drug that can be addictive, habit forming, and that alcohol negatively affects your body, short term and long term.

I mean, I like drinking! That's totally fine if people wish to partake, but how do the people I know who so spend much time/money on booze lack the basic knowledge of what it is...?

How do people spend so much of their life eating and not know about basic nutrition? Or how do people live without knowing basic biology? You'd be shocked by how absolutely unmotivated some people can be to learn anything.

That water thing is weird. Never heard that. But yeah, nobody seems to get that alcohol is liquid calorie juice. For a place that's as preoccupied with being thin as Korea, why does literally nowhere have diet Coke or Coke Zero at bars? And bars never have sparkling water or club soda, either. It's ridiculous.

Peeps be dumb.

The food thing I can kindddd of understand because there is a LOT of bunk science out there, diet fads and dishonest people willing to promote misinformation to make money. The debate between sugars & fats in the US involved one industry trying to demonize the other. Government and economic interests shaped what I learned/didn't learn about food growing up.

Not to mention a lot of people don't know much about nutrition because a lot of people just don't care that much about food. They rarely stop to think about what they are eating as long as it is fast cheap and easy. But the people who are interested in food for cooking or health or whatever will take the time to learn at least basic information, in my experience.

So if you practically worship the soju bottle to the point where it is listed under your "hobbies" and is a part of your national identity, how is the only info you know about alcohol basically old wives' tale BS?? Did no one ever wake up from a night of vomiting in the streets with a massive hangover finally decide to naver search what alcohol actually does to you?

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« Reply #6979 on: September 08, 2017, 02:58:42 PM »
For some reason this annoyed me:  someone posted on FB asking how to use NEIS and the first (and only comment because for some reason the OP disabled comments after that point) response went in the direction of "It's not your job, it's your handler's job, if you mess up then it's your responsibility, all the terms are really technical, etc."

...I feel like NEIS isn't that hard to use, even if you're just memorizing the steps.  I have a cheat sheet that I keep updated every time I have to request something new.  And I'd much rather be able to personally keep track of how all my requests (business trips, vacation, etc.) are logged.  Also, the translations of each step seem accurate enough and always matched up with what my coT said so I don't feel like that's a big issue either. 

I dunno man.  Maybe I'm annoyed that the OP was being discouraged from taking responsibility.

i have basic proficiency in NEIS and yes it isn't very hard to use.

begs the question as to why the korean teachers who are responsible for our NEIS stuff treat it as if it's some huge inconvenience in their lives. less than 5 minutes to put in a business trip or something.

but anyway, it's fine for me and you because we both understand a decent amount of korean. the problem is that if the NEIS work is passed off to the NET then it creates the expectation that all subsequent NETs at that school should be able to do it. imagine a person fresh off the boat who can't even read hangeul trying to fumble around the system. it would be disastrous. then when they ask for help there'll be sighs, and moans, and grumbles about how the new NET can't do anything, and how Yirj teacher could do her NEIS with no problems so why can't the new NET.

the actual NEIS training manual for the korean teachers is like the size of War and Peace or something ridiculous.

i think it's better that the korean teachers have the expectation that they are responsible for doing the NET's NEIS stuff, will cause less problems in general.

Fair points.  For me though, especially in the beginning, I literally took photos of each step and just straight up memorized based on visuals.  Luckily my coT was nice and walked me through it and offered to double check until I got used to it.  I know there are people who got the short end of the stick and don't have helpful coTs.  So, it shouldn't be a big deal either way.  I think what irked me about that post was that it only offered one potential solution to the problem when there are clearly two distinct options.