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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6540 on: July 05, 2017, 03:12:42 PM »
These stories of line cutting make me really appreciate the small things-- the other day I was at the bank and people don't really line up, they just kinda cluster around the teller's desk.  There was an ajumma in front of me who noticed I had just one bill in my hand-- she had a big handful and insisted I go first.

They don't pull numbers at your bank?

Getting cut in line to pay hasn't happened to me in a while but man it used to piss me off when I first got here. I used to be the kind of person who let people go ahead of me if they had just a few items to ring up, but after having people try to cut me in line while I was in the middle of being rung up squashed that tendency. It's a dog eat dog world in these mega-mart aisles.

But I'm thankful for cashiers who will put their foot down and tell whatever ajumma to wait as it seems like some old people don't understand the concept of one transaction at a time.

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« Reply #6541 on: July 05, 2017, 03:12:58 PM »
Gaaaaawd, some people are so overly sensitive and reactive, I feel like I should carry little feeling band aids  around with me.
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« Reply #6542 on: July 05, 2017, 03:51:28 PM »
These stories of line cutting make me really appreciate the small things-- the other day I was at the bank and people don't really line up, they just kinda cluster around the teller's desk.  There was an ajumma in front of me who noticed I had just one bill in my hand-- she had a big handful and insisted I go first.

They don't pull numbers at your bank?
 the concept of one transaction at a time.

Nah, super small rural town.  It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?).  I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line."  Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. 

One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting!  That was a nice surprise. 

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« Reply #6543 on: July 05, 2017, 04:19:37 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6544 on: July 05, 2017, 04:41:00 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.
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Different strokes, different folks: I had a CT (she used to be an air hostess on international routes) who told me that it was OK for the students to swear at each other and everything and everyone else in English because English is another language so it doesn't count as being bad or rude or disrespectful.
However, if they swore at each other in Korean then it was bad. Then she went off on all of them.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6545 on: July 05, 2017, 04:48:04 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6546 on: July 05, 2017, 04:54:06 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

In the corridor, I heard one of my girl students tell another girl to 'piss off' in a joking way.  Brilliant.

I told my Swedish friends about the 'puck you' thing and they thought it was hilarious before mentioning that it isn't really a swear word because as the spelling has changed it's meaning has changed.  I think it is a second language thing.  I don't really hear it nearly as much as I did when I first came here, mind.  As I teach girls, the rate of hearing swearing has been reduced to about once a semester.  Boys middle and boys high would be ten times a minute. 

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« Reply #6547 on: July 05, 2017, 05:02:37 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

In the corridor, I heard one of my girl students tell another girl to 'piss off' in a joking way.  Brilliant.

I told my Swedish friends about the 'puck you' thing and they thought it was hilarious before mentioning that it isn't really a swear word because as the spelling has changed it's meaning has changed.  I think it is a second language thing.  I don't really hear it nearly as much as I did when I first came here, mind.  As I teach girls, the rate of hearing swearing has been reduced to about once a semester.  Boys middle and boys high would be ten times a minute.
I just ignore it from the kids now. They're just trying to get a reaction out of you.

My teachers class however, they decided that learning swear words would be fun so one of the lessons got super derailed and they learned the phrase "you're a piece of $#!t" along with others.

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« Reply #6548 on: July 05, 2017, 05:02:59 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.

For the most part, your average Korean is completely oblivious to audacity of saying the
f-word, s-word and all their variations and in many ways, it's understandable.

Those trashy Hollywood movies, on the English channel, and the hilarious display of K-pop artists trying to swear in English and act tough don't exactly come with disclaimers.
Kids, especially, think it's a joke. They completely understand the concept of the audacity of swearing in class.

When this happened a few weeks ago, I stopped the class and wrote the words 'f*ck' and 'sh*t', on the board. My students and CT didn't really bat an eye until I wrote it next to 씨발
and 젠장. The reaction was very different and the students and my CT turned white... My CT was visibly anxious about having those words on the board but thankfully didn't interrupt as she understood that I was about to give a vitally important lesson.

Explain, in a calm yet serious tone, that future swearing in English will bear the same consequences as swearing to a teacher in Korean.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6549 on: July 05, 2017, 05:04:25 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.
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Different strokes, different folks: I had a CT (she used to be an air hostess on international routes) who told me that it was OK for the students to swear at each other and everything and everyone else in English because English is another language so it doesn't count as being bad or rude or disrespectful.
However, if they swore at each other in Korean then it was bad. Then she went off on all of them.

The fact that you are there makes it rude and disrespectful, if nothing else.

I really can't believe how little respect some of these teachers have for English in general. If they were to go abroad and teach mandatory Korean classes in another country (for whatever imaginary reason you can think up) I wonder if they'd let those children get away with using the Korean language disrespectfully in the middle of class? There'd probably be full lessons on Dokdo, kimchi, and properly addressing your seniors, but here it's a free for all as long as it isn't Korean. It's not really a surprise that no one takes English seriously and most of these kids graduate without being able to say anything beyond "I'm fine and you?"

Hell, I wasn't allowed to swear in French class and there wasn't a native French speaker in the room. If someone said a rude word, the teacher explained what it meant, but also told us not to say it.

Repeating swear words that they don't even know how to use properly is a far cry from "learning the language" in any meaningful way. It's not something any self respecting teacher should allow students to do in the classroom.

The cool n' chill teachers will probably say I'm too uptight, but whatever. It's weird to me how there is so much pressure to learn English here but at the same time so little respect for the actual language.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6550 on: July 05, 2017, 05:21:20 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.
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Different strokes, different folks: I had a CT (she used to be an air hostess on international routes) who told me that it was OK for the students to swear at each other and everything and everyone else in English because English is another language so it doesn't count as being bad or rude or disrespectful.
However, if they swore at each other in Korean then it was bad. Then she went off on all of them.

The fact that you are there makes it rude and disrespectful, if nothing else.

I really can't believe how little respect some of these teachers have for English in general. If they were to go abroad and teach mandatory Korean classes in another country (for whatever imaginary reason you can think up) I wonder if they'd let those children get away with using the Korean language disrespectfully in the middle of class? There'd probably be full lessons on Dokdo, kimchi, and properly addressing your seniors, but here it's a free for all as long as it isn't Korean. It's not really a surprise that no one takes English seriously and most of these kids graduate without being able to say anything beyond "I'm fine and you?"

Hell, I wasn't allowed to swear in French class and there wasn't a native French speaker in the room. If someone said a rude word, the teacher explained what it meant, but also told us not to say it.

Repeating swear words that they don't even know how to use properly is a far cry from "learning the language" in any meaningful way. It's not something any self respecting teacher should allow students to do in the classroom.

The cool n' chill teachers will probably say I'm too uptight, but whatever. It's weird to me how there is so much pressure to learn English here but at the same time so little respect for the actual language.

You're 100% right. There's nothing 'cool n' chill' about letting kids run around saying expletives, and it's even worse when they greet it with a chuckle or think it's cute. But, it also is a chance for an educational moment - a lot of the time if you explain to kids that it's actually a bad word, and that it's not cool or funny or cute, then a lot of the time they'll kind of clue in, and at least avoid saying it directly in front of you. Of course some kids are just jerks and will continue, but some students genuinely don't know that those are bad.

I can't blame them for their ignorance, really - Die Hard was literally on TV at 1pm on a Saturday this previous weekend, completely uncensored. And there's often movies with uncensored f-bombs, etc. And when Korean celebrities or something use it, it's generally in kind of a cutesy, naughty-but-not-really way.

So, summarizing: yeah, kids shouldn't swear and we should tell them not to, and explain why it's bad. But some peeps are jerks and they're going to swear and be jerks.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6551 on: July 05, 2017, 05:41:34 PM »
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There's nothing 'cool n' chill' about letting kids run around saying expletives, and it's even worse when they greet it with a chuckle or think it's cute. But, it also is a chance for an educational moment - a lot of the time if you explain to kids that it's actually a bad word, and that it's not cool or funny or cute, then a lot of the time they'll kind of clue in, and at least avoid saying it directly in front of you. Of course some kids are just jerks and will continue, but some students genuinely don't know that those are bad.

I totally get what you're saying. My students who have sworn know exactly what they are saying and they're doing it to look like a bada** and to get a rise out of me.  By denying them that any continued use becomes pointless.  So that's the strategy I use and will continue to use.
If I had students running around spouting random swear words, I would definitely stop them.  That hasn't been the case.
Going through school in French immersion, I had some teachers that would nonchalently teach us about swears and others who would freak out if we said "sacre bleu."  Neither strategy really changed the amount we swore. 
I don't either approach to this problem is wrong.  It's just a matter of personal preference, your students, and CoT support.

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« Reply #6552 on: July 05, 2017, 05:57:48 PM »
Too, true.

Employ what works and suits you and your situation.

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« Reply #6553 on: July 05, 2017, 06:16:59 PM »
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home.

The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know.

The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does.

I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. "  They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed.

This week in my school I've overheard -

"Oh my gas rangeeee"
"What the puck"
"What the luck"
"ship"
"Oh ship"
"What the fox say"


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Anyway, this is only if I overhear them.

Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me  ;D :laugh: :-*

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« Reply #6554 on: July 05, 2017, 07:34:53 PM »
Nah, super small rural town.  It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?).  I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line."  Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. 

One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting!  That was a nice surprise.

Isn't there a special machine at your bank for people to use to pay their utility bills? Even when I used to live in a super-rural part of Korea, the NongHyup banks there had this machine for paying utility bills.

Also, about a year ago when I went to a bank and was going to be there for a while (both waiting my turn and the matter I needed the bank teller to help me with), one of the female bank tellers brought me a glass of grape juice. It was a very unexpected and kind gesture, although unfortunately I don't like grape juice, so I ended up giving it to my friend who later came to meet me at the bank and was waiting for me. Haha.

Another time a few years ago, I had to go to the post office to pick up a large envelope that someone had sent me (and I guess it didn't get delivered to the place where I was living at the time because I wasn't home when they tried to deliver it and apparently I needed to sign for it). The employees at the post office happened to be having a bingsu party, and one of them surprised me by fixing me a bowl of bingsu and handing it to me while I was waiting. It was very nice (I guess this should probably go in the "Raving" thread, haha).

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« Reply #6555 on: July 05, 2017, 07:36:54 PM »
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home.

The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know.

The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does.

I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. "  They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed.

This week in my school I've overheard -

"Oh my gas rangeeee"
"What the puck"
"What the luck"
"ship"
"Oh ship"
"What the fox say"


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Anyway, this is only if I overhear them.

Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me  ;D :laugh: :-*
but swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school

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« Reply #6556 on: July 06, 2017, 10:08:44 AM »
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home.

The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know.

The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does.

I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. "  They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed.

This week in my school I've overheard -

"Oh my gas rangeeee"
"What the puck"
"What the luck"
"ship"
"Oh ship"
"What the fox say"


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Anyway, this is only if I overhear them.

Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me  ;D :laugh: :-*
but swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school

In my class, audible to me, 'Go to the back and put your hands up!', they go, you explain to the students why, leave the student at the back for 5 minutes, talk to them after class.  Done. 

All cases are different though.  My wife teaches in the boys high school and we were talking about this as in her school it is almost impossible to police.  My girls are really good mind.  Last month, one girl said '18' in class to her friend, she got sent to the back, hands up.  I explained why to the others and then to her after the class finished.  I made sure to talk to her outside of class as soon as possible so there was no hard feelings.  It was finished in the classroom.   

When I taught in a mixed school, the boys did it a lot out of class.  In my class?  No chance!  When they were playing football outside or in the corridor, it depended on the situation but swearing was par of the course.  If you hear 'son of a beach' in the corridor or playing football in a middle school with boys, then there will most likely be a big confrontation between two students. 

Korean swearing always sounds really course and is said for a negative reason.  It doesn't seem like in the west where we can say 'you dick!' 'Fukc off!' which can be said in a funny way to friends and mean nothing. 

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« Reply #6557 on: July 06, 2017, 10:46:05 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.

These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.

One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.

As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.

It can be a teachable moment.

These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.

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« Reply #6558 on: July 06, 2017, 10:56:18 AM »
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6559 on: July 06, 2017, 11:02:14 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.
These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.
One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.
As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.
It can be a teachable moment.
These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).
When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass.
   You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.

 

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