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« Reply #6120 on: July 05, 2017, 09:55:30 AM »
I went out last night and ordered some french fries... that were covered in sugar. I have never seen that before and it was so disappointing! I know they have sugared garlic bread and sugared other things, but I have never seen it on french fries.

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« Reply #6121 on: July 05, 2017, 10:23:46 AM »
Waiting in line at a store and a woman comes out of nowhere and skips me in line. Ok, I just take my single bottle of water I was buying and move it ahead of her items. The cashier then begins to scan her stuff as I tell explain, in Korean, that I was first.  So annoying. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter but my blood pressure definitely went up.

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« Reply #6122 on: July 05, 2017, 10:40:20 AM »
Yeah, the line-cutting here can be really frustrating, not just because it's so inconsiderate, but also because it's incredibly disrespectful. Most line-cutters I've seen usually pretend that they don't know they're cutting. Some legit aren't paying attention, but a lot of them know exactly what they're doing and count on the idea that you won't say anything.

Recently was waiting in line to enter a subway car and a young woman with her boyfriend tried to squeeze right in front of me. Or really, the woman did, the boyfriend didn't really want to but was just kind of following her lead while looking at me to see what I would do. I didn't say anything, I just squeezed my way back in front of her once the doors opened, lol. Pretended I didn't even see her. I can play that game, too, sista.

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« Reply #6123 on: July 05, 2017, 10:49:18 AM »
On the matter of 'English Camp', who was the genius who came up with that term. Why a "camp"?

In my first year, I thought I was going to the countryside for a week with my students. Spent a fortune on hiking gear and a tent.  :rolleyes:

"English Prison" isn't quite as catchy or friendly a title.

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« Reply #6124 on: July 05, 2017, 10:52:08 AM »
I went out last night and ordered some french fries... that were covered in sugar. I have never seen that before and it was so disappointing! I know they have sugared garlic bread and sugared other things, but I have never seen it on french fries.

I remember one time at High School when during lunch I was out with friends to the local burger van (UK thing) and ordered some chips (fries). Without looking, I accidentally grabbed the sugar bottle instead of the salt [right next to each other, why?] and doused my chips with some sugar. I had to pour some ketchup on them just to try and balance out the flavour but I spent a lot of time just trying to select the sugar-free fries. Wasted lunch!

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« Reply #6125 on: July 05, 2017, 11:06:40 AM »
These stories of line cutting make me really appreciate the small things-- the other day I was at the bank and people don't really line up, they just kinda cluster around the teller's desk.  There was an ajumma in front of me who noticed I had just one bill in my hand-- she had a big handful and insisted I go first. 

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« Reply #6126 on: July 05, 2017, 11:08:03 AM »
Yeah, the line-cutting here can be really frustrating, not just because it's so inconsiderate, but also because it's incredibly disrespectful. Most line-cutters I've seen usually pretend that they don't know they're cutting. Some legit aren't paying attention, but a lot of them know exactly what they're doing and count on the idea that you won't say anything.

Recently was waiting in line to enter a subway car and a young woman with her boyfriend tried to squeeze right in front of me. Or really, the woman did, the boyfriend didn't really want to but was just kind of following her lead while looking at me to see what I would do. I didn't say anything, I just squeezed my way back in front of her once the doors opened, lol. Pretended I didn't even see her. I can play that game, too, sista.

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« Reply #6127 on: July 05, 2017, 11:34:03 AM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.

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« Reply #6128 on: July 05, 2017, 12:12:42 PM »
These stories of line cutting make me really appreciate the small things-- the other day I was at the bank and people don't really line up, they just kinda cluster around the teller's desk.  There was an ajumma in front of me who noticed I had just one bill in my hand-- she had a big handful and insisted I go first.

They don't pull numbers at your bank?

Getting cut in line to pay hasn't happened to me in a while but man it used to piss me off when I first got here. I used to be the kind of person who let people go ahead of me if they had just a few items to ring up, but after having people try to cut me in line while I was in the middle of being rung up squashed that tendency. It's a dog eat dog world in these mega-mart aisles.

But I'm thankful for cashiers who will put their foot down and tell whatever ajumma to wait as it seems like some old people don't understand the concept of one transaction at a time.

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« Reply #6129 on: July 05, 2017, 12:12:58 PM »
Gaaaaawd, some people are so overly sensitive and reactive, I feel like I should carry little feeling band aids  around with me.
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« Reply #6130 on: July 05, 2017, 12:51:28 PM »
These stories of line cutting make me really appreciate the small things-- the other day I was at the bank and people don't really line up, they just kinda cluster around the teller's desk.  There was an ajumma in front of me who noticed I had just one bill in my hand-- she had a big handful and insisted I go first.

They don't pull numbers at your bank?
 the concept of one transaction at a time.

Nah, super small rural town.  It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?).  I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line."  Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. 

One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting!  That was a nice surprise. 

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« Reply #6131 on: July 05, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.


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« Reply #6132 on: July 05, 2017, 01:41:00 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.
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Different strokes, different folks: I had a CT (she used to be an air hostess on international routes) who told me that it was OK for the students to swear at each other and everything and everyone else in English because English is another language so it doesn't count as being bad or rude or disrespectful.
However, if they swore at each other in Korean then it was bad. Then she went off on all of them.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6133 on: July 05, 2017, 01:48:04 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6134 on: July 05, 2017, 01:54:06 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

In the corridor, I heard one of my girl students tell another girl to 'piss off' in a joking way.  Brilliant.

I told my Swedish friends about the 'puck you' thing and they thought it was hilarious before mentioning that it isn't really a swear word because as the spelling has changed it's meaning has changed.  I think it is a second language thing.  I don't really hear it nearly as much as I did when I first came here, mind.  As I teach girls, the rate of hearing swearing has been reduced to about once a semester.  Boys middle and boys high would be ten times a minute. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6135 on: July 05, 2017, 02:02:37 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.



"Wow! Good English!"  has always stopped my kids dead in their tracks.  It's not the reaction they were hoping for expecting, and they never seem to feel the need to say it again.
I'm actually low-key proud of them when they pull out English swears.  It means they took the initiative to learn English outside of English class.

In the corridor, I heard one of my girl students tell another girl to 'piss off' in a joking way.  Brilliant.

I told my Swedish friends about the 'puck you' thing and they thought it was hilarious before mentioning that it isn't really a swear word because as the spelling has changed it's meaning has changed.  I think it is a second language thing.  I don't really hear it nearly as much as I did when I first came here, mind.  As I teach girls, the rate of hearing swearing has been reduced to about once a semester.  Boys middle and boys high would be ten times a minute.
I just ignore it from the kids now. They're just trying to get a reaction out of you.

My teachers class however, they decided that learning swear words would be fun so one of the lessons got super derailed and they learned the phrase "you're a piece of $#!t" along with others.

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« Reply #6136 on: July 05, 2017, 02:02:59 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.

For the most part, your average Korean is completely oblivious to audacity of saying the
f-word, s-word and all their variations and in many ways, it's understandable.

Those trashy Hollywood movies, on the English channel, and the hilarious display of K-pop artists trying to swear in English and act tough don't exactly come with disclaimers.
Kids, especially, think it's a joke. They completely understand the concept of the audacity of swearing in class.

When this happened a few weeks ago, I stopped the class and wrote the words 'f*ck' and 'sh*t', on the board. My students and CT didn't really bat an eye until I wrote it next to 씨발
and 젠장. The reaction was very different and the students and my CT turned white... My CT was visibly anxious about having those words on the board but thankfully didn't interrupt as she understood that I was about to give a vitally important lesson.

Explain, in a calm yet serious tone, that future swearing in English will bear the same consequences as swearing to a teacher in Korean.

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« Reply #6137 on: July 05, 2017, 02:04:25 PM »
Just had one class reach that magical age where they like to say Puck You. So I deployed my usual massive overreaction. Shouting and all fun cancelled for the next two periods. At the end of the hell class I ask my co-teacher to explain why they should never use those words unless they like being punched in the face.

Dear girl could barely pretend to give a toss. It was all giggles and whatevs. Kids think it's just some odd quirk of mine now.

Does anybody teaching out of Korea feel like filming their students learning the Korean expression for 18, dog baby, eating boiled candy and crazy guy? I'm sure my co-teacher would see the humour in this situation.
Well,  that is one approach.

Have you ever tried simply to ignore it and not react?

Then, at the end of class you can simply address the student, individually, when the others have left, ask why he was held back and explain why using such language leads others to believe you are an uneducated dolt, a half-wit.

It has worked a charm at times.

Different strokes, different folks.
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Different strokes, different folks: I had a CT (she used to be an air hostess on international routes) who told me that it was OK for the students to swear at each other and everything and everyone else in English because English is another language so it doesn't count as being bad or rude or disrespectful.
However, if they swore at each other in Korean then it was bad. Then she went off on all of them.

The fact that you are there makes it rude and disrespectful, if nothing else.

I really can't believe how little respect some of these teachers have for English in general. If they were to go abroad and teach mandatory Korean classes in another country (for whatever imaginary reason you can think up) I wonder if they'd let those children get away with using the Korean language disrespectfully in the middle of class? There'd probably be full lessons on Dokdo, kimchi, and properly addressing your seniors, but here it's a free for all as long as it isn't Korean. It's not really a surprise that no one takes English seriously and most of these kids graduate without being able to say anything beyond "I'm fine and you?"

Hell, I wasn't allowed to swear in French class and there wasn't a native French speaker in the room. If someone said a rude word, the teacher explained what it meant, but also told us not to say it.

Repeating swear words that they don't even know how to use properly is a far cry from "learning the language" in any meaningful way. It's not something any self respecting teacher should allow students to do in the classroom.

The cool n' chill teachers will probably say I'm too uptight, but whatever. It's weird to me how there is so much pressure to learn English here but at the same time so little respect for the actual language.

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« Reply #6138 on: July 05, 2017, 02:41:34 PM »
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There's nothing 'cool n' chill' about letting kids run around saying expletives, and it's even worse when they greet it with a chuckle or think it's cute. But, it also is a chance for an educational moment - a lot of the time if you explain to kids that it's actually a bad word, and that it's not cool or funny or cute, then a lot of the time they'll kind of clue in, and at least avoid saying it directly in front of you. Of course some kids are just jerks and will continue, but some students genuinely don't know that those are bad.

I totally get what you're saying. My students who have sworn know exactly what they are saying and they're doing it to look like a bada** and to get a rise out of me.  By denying them that any continued use becomes pointless.  So that's the strategy I use and will continue to use.
If I had students running around spouting random swear words, I would definitely stop them.  That hasn't been the case.
Going through school in French immersion, I had some teachers that would nonchalently teach us about swears and others who would freak out if we said "sacre bleu."  Neither strategy really changed the amount we swore. 
I don't either approach to this problem is wrong.  It's just a matter of personal preference, your students, and CoT support.

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« Reply #6139 on: July 05, 2017, 02:57:48 PM »
Too, true.

Employ what works and suits you and your situation.

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