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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6000 on: July 05, 2017, 04:36:54 PM »
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home.

The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know.

The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does.

I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. "  They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed.

This week in my school I've overheard -

"Oh my gas rangeeee"
"What the puck"
"What the luck"
"ship"
"Oh ship"
"What the fox say"


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Anyway, this is only if I overhear them.

Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me  ;D :laugh: :-*
but swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6001 on: July 06, 2017, 07:08:44 AM »
I think the swear word debate is interesting and I try to react how I would at home.

The first time I hear them swearing I explain what the words are and that they are swear words. Sometimes they genuinely don't know.

The second / third / fourth / 1 millionth time I hear them swearing - I don't give a sh*t. Why? I believe swearing can be good for the soul...and part of growing up. I swore at my friends in school. Everyone did. Everyone does.

I really don't believe these kids are going to grow up to work at some company, and greet their new foreign business partners with "Hello Mr.Smith. Nice to f**king meet you. You c**t. "  They'll grow out of it, and it gives them a chance to be creative with what is and isn't allowed.

This week in my school I've overheard -

"Oh my gas rangeeee"
"What the puck"
"What the luck"
"ship"
"Oh ship"
"What the fox say"


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Anyway, this is only if I overhear them.

Swearing AT me would be different, but they don't cos they love me  ;D :laugh: :-*
but swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school

In my class, audible to me, 'Go to the back and put your hands up!', they go, you explain to the students why, leave the student at the back for 5 minutes, talk to them after class.  Done. 

All cases are different though.  My wife teaches in the boys high school and we were talking about this as in her school it is almost impossible to police.  My girls are really good mind.  Last month, one girl said '18' in class to her friend, she got sent to the back, hands up.  I explained why to the others and then to her after the class finished.  I made sure to talk to her outside of class as soon as possible so there was no hard feelings.  It was finished in the classroom.   

When I taught in a mixed school, the boys did it a lot out of class.  In my class?  No chance!  When they were playing football outside or in the corridor, it depended on the situation but swearing was par of the course.  If you hear 'son of a beach' in the corridor or playing football in a middle school with boys, then there will most likely be a big confrontation between two students. 

Korean swearing always sounds really course and is said for a negative reason.  It doesn't seem like in the west where we can say 'you dick!' 'Fukc off!' which can be said in a funny way to friends and mean nothing. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6002 on: July 06, 2017, 07:46:05 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.

These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.

One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.

As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.

It can be a teachable moment.

These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.

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« Reply #6003 on: July 06, 2017, 07:56:18 AM »
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6004 on: July 06, 2017, 08:02:14 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.
These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.
One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.
As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.
It can be a teachable moment.
These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).
When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass.
   You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.

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« Reply #6005 on: July 06, 2017, 08:31:42 AM »
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.

Yessss. Also, mine seems to think everyone wants to hear a loud grunt after he finishes eating. Just fkng be normal and get up and go away.

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« Reply #6006 on: July 06, 2017, 08:36:27 AM »
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.

Yessss. Also, mine seems to think everyone wants to hear a loud grunt after he finishes eating. Just fkng be normal and get up and go away.

Just try to out-grunt him to establish your dominance.

You'll either stop the behavior, or make a friend/enemy for life.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6007 on: July 06, 2017, 08:57:47 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.

These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.

One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.

As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.

It can be a teachable moment.

These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
Pennypie said that she stops the class and tells the students what it is they are saying, and that they are swear words -- and that the kids keep using them, even after knowing what they mean. in this case, the kids know they are in the wrong, but seeing what they can get away with

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6008 on: July 06, 2017, 09:20:37 AM »
Gym teacher has no fuckin g indoor voice. Quiet the fuc k down.

Yessss. Also, mine seems to think everyone wants to hear a loud grunt after he finishes eating. Just fkng be normal and get up and go away.

Just try to out-grunt him to establish your dominance.

You'll either stop the behavior, or make a friend/enemy for life.

I should take this advice. I'm all for displays of dominance in Korea.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6009 on: July 06, 2017, 10:45:54 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.
These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.
One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.

As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.
It can be a teachable moment.
These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).
When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass.
  You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.


Absolutely.

i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoo
.........of course I did. Why did we do it? because we were pushing boundaries. I didn't do it to them, or at them or disrupt the class with it but within earshot...sure. I don't necessarily see pushing boundaries as a bad thing. Perhaps it's a British / American differences.


If the teacher ignored it, well eventually we didn't care.

Some teachers would tell us alternatives (I read one article about using Shakespearean insults to get teenagers interested in Shakespeare which was cool).

Those teachers that bore down on us every time they overheard a F or an S lost the battle every time.


Obviously I'm not talking about using bad language at the teacher, or in an abusive way but between friends, in a funny casual way is fine by me. Obviously if it is disrupting everyone in the class then I deal with the disruption.

I see "stopping fun for the next two periods" as overkill.

This is a big debate between British teachers right now too, and it's really interesting. Everyone is divided.


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« Reply #6010 on: July 06, 2017, 11:28:35 AM »
Nah, super small rural town.  It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?).  I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line."  Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. 

One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting!  That was a nice surprise.

Isn't there a special machine at your bank for people to use to pay their utility bills? Even when I used to live in a super-rural part of Korea, the NongHyup banks there had this machine for paying utility bills.

hahah, there actually is a special machine but like much of the elderly population here, I never remember how to use it  :-[  Paying my bill to a clerk is a good way to use up my small change though. 

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« Reply #6011 on: July 06, 2017, 11:33:32 AM »
did you go to a rough school? if we were caught swearing, it was a quick way to be bollocked by the teacher or given a detention (hm.. wonder why they don't give detentions in korea?). even the bad kids weren't idiotic enough to continually swear when a teacher was present, as they knew it wouldn't end well for them

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6012 on: July 06, 2017, 11:35:14 AM »
swearing in class, in front of the teacher, when they clearly know what it means (and trying to push boundaries), is nothing but disrespectful. i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at school
Sorry, but that simply isn't the case.
These kids repeat what they hear from their parents, their peers, their music, and what they watch.
One student being angry and trying to express their frustration and anger, is different than someone who is calmly sitting in class using profanities.

As teachers, we need to be able to recognize and understand the difference.
It can be a teachable moment.
These kids are like sponges.  They are a product of what they stew in, day in and day out.
I think you missed Oglop's caveat (bolded).
When kids are swearing in order to push boundaries then it is definitely is a punishable offence. If some kid accidentally staples his hand to his desk, then I'll give the expletives a pass.
  You're right that we should judge according to intent, which I think most of us recognise.


Absolutely.

i'm sure you didn't swear when a teacher or your parents were present when you were at schoo
.........of course I did. Why did we do it? because we were pushing boundaries. I didn't do it to them, or at them or disrupt the class with it but within earshot...sure. I don't necessarily see pushing boundaries as a bad thing. Perhaps it's a British / American differences.


If the teacher ignored it, well eventually we didn't care.

Some teachers would tell us alternatives (I read one article about using Shakespearean insults to get teenagers interested in Shakespeare which was cool).

Those teachers that bore down on us every time they overheard a F or an S lost the battle every time.


Obviously I'm not talking about using bad language at the teacher, or in an abusive way but between friends, in a funny casual way is fine by me. Obviously if it is disrupting everyone in the class then I deal with the disruption.

I see "stopping fun for the next two periods" as overkill.

This is a big debate between British teachers right now too, and it's really interesting. Everyone is divided.
Agreed.

Those that are "serious" about actually teaching would read up on "best practices" and implement some of those strategies.

Others simply "cowboy" through blindly.

I feel sorry for their students and for their coteachers.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #6013 on: July 06, 2017, 11:35:33 AM »
Nah, super small rural town.  It just happened to be a "busy" time and there were like half a dozen people clustered around one teller (apparently the only one who handles utility bills?).  I noticed this time that people just put their bills on the counter to show who was next in "line."  Reminded me of days of old when people would put tokens onto the arcade game screen to stake a claim for the next round. 

One of the bank employees handed out those small glass fruity (energy?) drinks to everyone who was waiting!  That was a nice surprise.

Isn't there a special machine at your bank for people to use to pay their utility bills? Even when I used to live in a super-rural part of Korea, the NongHyup banks there had this machine for paying utility bills.

hahah, there actually is a special machine but like much of the elderly population here, I never remember how to use it  :-[  Paying my bill to a clerk is a good way to use up my small change though.

It makes no sense to me that those machines are turned off at 4PM when the banks close, but you can pay anytime at any ATM via bank transfer, too~~ (Maybe you knew; just in case you didn't).

Sometimes there's even a system to pay at a CVS.

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« Reply #6014 on: July 06, 2017, 11:38:39 AM »
I've always paid my bills with online banking.

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« Reply #6015 on: July 06, 2017, 12:00:13 PM »
Someone in my building smokes a lot and for some reason, I can smell it in my bathroom. I suspect they're smoking on the roof near vents which is why it's always my bathroom. The smell of Korean cigarettes makes me feel physically ill, and the last think I want is to smell it while I'm showering.

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« Reply #6016 on: July 06, 2017, 12:07:10 PM »
Everywhere, including my building, smells like dank musty sweaty socks. I can't even go into Mega Mart or a cafe for respite, as there is little A/C to be found anywhere.

I'm not interested in getting in an argument about whether or not people SHOULD use A/C (although maybe the big warehouse full of food should be kept at least a little cool) I'm just complaining. Summers are so much more bearable when you can easily find shelter from the heat/humidity.

The barista who took my order yesterday had sweat coming down the sides of her face.

Tell me about it. The heat is miserable.

I don't have AC in my house, and it's deeply unpleasant.

Ordered mine from Gmarket. Set me back 300,000 with free delivery and installation. I can now see my breath in the mornings!  :smiley:

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« Reply #6017 on: July 06, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »
Someone in my building smokes a lot and for some reason, I can smell it in my bathroom. I suspect they're smoking on the roof near vents which is why it's always my bathroom. The smell of Korean cigarettes makes me feel physically ill, and the last think I want is to smell it while I'm showering.

I literally have the exact same problem. I feel you so hard on this. D:

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« Reply #6018 on: July 06, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »
I have A/C in my place, but it's jammed into the wall between my main room and my veranda (walled), so it vents into part of my apartment, basically (I have the fridge and the washing machine out there). If I want to use the A/C, I have to leave my veranda windows open...on the second floor. I know Korea's safer than other places, but I'd rather...not.

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« Reply #6019 on: July 06, 2017, 12:24:11 PM »
3 carb lunch today.

Pasta salad (with corn of course), rice and seafood japchae noodles. Only kimchi as a vegetable. I'm so bloated this week that I look like a gd whale. I'd kill for a day full of meals with real vegetables.

 



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