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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4200 on: March 10, 2017, 08:59:48 AM »

If you translate the word "부탁하다" by itself, it's more like "to request" or to "ask (for a favor)", so for me, I've alway thought that "잘 부탁드립니다", is more like saying "I will rely on you"/ "I will request help from you". Anyway if you start a new job somewhere, or start at a new school, you have no choice but to ask people for a lot of favors, or how to do things properly. It's like saying, "I'm going to try to fit in here, please help me out".

"Please take care of me" is how I've seen it translated in Korean language books/dramas etc.  "부탁하다" can also be translated as "beg" or so says my Kor-Eng dictionary.

I mean, your interpretation of it is probably more right, that's why I said it's an awkward translation. I don't know why they insist on translating it as "please take good care of me" to people who are brand new Korean speakers. it just sounds awful to me!

Yes, "beg" is also right, but that also depends on context. Yeah, I don't really like the dictionary definition, but I think how I described it is a little bit closer to it's actual usage. After all, if I need someone to "please take care of my child" for the weekend, I might use "부탁하다", but in that case, it is the "please", and not the "take care of" part of the sentence. If you meant "please take care of me", or "please look after me", in a literal sense, it would be a whole different sentence. I'm not an expert by any means, but just if it helps you to not shy away from using the word, then I'll be happy.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4201 on: March 10, 2017, 11:44:46 AM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

The new geography teacher started at our school last week.  I knew him when I first came to Korea ten years ago as he was teaching at the high school that was next to my middle school.  So he came up to my desk and the first thing he said was 'How much do you weigh now?' So I said about 87kgs.  'How much did you weigh when I first met you?'  'Erm, about 80kgs, I suppose'  'Right, you look bigger now'  and then walked off. 

Who said small talk is dead in Korea?

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« Reply #4202 on: March 10, 2017, 12:17:06 PM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

Resting metabolic rates between people of the same height, weight, age, fitness level, lifestyle etc. don't differ by much (we're talking a 5% difference, at most). Your muscle mass
has decreased, since you're less active, which causes your BMR slows down.
Don't blame your metabolism, fatso. Go lift weights and get them gainz back ;D

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4203 on: March 10, 2017, 12:28:22 PM »

If you translate the word "부탁하다" by itself, it's more like "to request" or to "ask (for a favor)", so for me, I've alway thought that "잘 부탁드립니다", is more like saying "I will rely on you"/ "I will request help from you". Anyway if you start a new job somewhere, or start at a new school, you have no choice but to ask people for a lot of favors, or how to do things properly. It's like saying, "I'm going to try to fit in here, please help me out".

"Please take care of me" is how I've seen it translated in Korean language books/dramas etc.  "부탁하다" can also be translated as "beg" or so says my Kor-Eng dictionary.

I mean, your interpretation of it is probably more right, that's why I said it's an awkward translation. I don't know why they insist on translating it as "please take good care of me" to people who are brand new Korean speakers. it just sounds awful to me!

Yes, "beg" is also right, but that also depends on context. Yeah, I don't really like the dictionary definition, but I think how I described it is a little bit closer to it's actual usage. After all, if I need someone to "please take care of my child" for the weekend, I might use "부탁하다", but in that case, it is the "please", and not the "take care of" part of the sentence. If you meant "please take care of me", or "please look after me", in a literal sense, it would be a whole different sentence. I'm not an expert by any means, but just if it helps you to not shy away from using the word, then I'll be happy.
It's also think it can be used just as an emphatic request modifier. There is a famous host of an ancient long-running music program that used to end introductions with "부탁해요~". He was asking the audience to be attentive and listen to the performers. Basically, "Please, take care of them."

I think when we translate it to people who are just learning we are using it as if the phrase has a defined usage that is separated from the literal meaning of the constituent parts.

In Spanish when you meet someone you can say "encantado" the meaning of the word in other contexts is magical. Like bewitched or enchanted. But in the context of meeting someone for the first time it is more similar to "charmed", which itself doesn't hold the alternative meeting of being under the influence of magic. You are acknowledging in a culturally dictated way you are pleased to meet someone.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4204 on: March 10, 2017, 01:09:38 PM »
When I first got to Korea, I lost like 9kg in my first few years and it was awesome. And I stayed that way.

Then, in the past two years, my metabolism has suddenly decided that I have to be fat now and I've gained like 8kg. It's the worst. My diet didn't change at all - if anything I eat and drink less than I did before.

It's lame.

Resting metabolic rates between people of the same height, weight, age, fitness level, lifestyle etc. don't differ by much (we're talking a 5% difference, at most). Your muscle mass
has decreased, since you're less active, which causes your BMR slows down.
Don't blame your metabolism, fatso. Go lift weights and get them gainz back ;D

Yeah, this is true. It was about a year after I started exercising regularly that I started getting fat and gross.

Not enough info, but if you're goal is weight loss, you're definitely doing something wrong.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4205 on: March 13, 2017, 02:51:57 PM »
For you, Dave Stepz.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4208 on: March 14, 2017, 07:55:44 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.

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« Reply #4209 on: March 14, 2017, 08:07:32 AM »
Yesterday, I helped my CT pin up a nice large map, in our classroom. It was one of the Koreanized maps, with Korea in the center complete with  Dokdo and 'Sea of Korea' labelled in a bolder font than capital cities, but I digress.
There were a few other teachers in the class as we usually meet there, at 3, for coffee and conversation. We started playing a 'find the country' game. After giving her a few difficult and obscure ones, like Uzbekistan and Lithuania, and having her fail, I went easier:

Saudi Arabia
Sicily
Spain
Argentina
Greenland
Algeria
Iceland

... When she failed to find any of them, the other 2 teachers tried and couldn't find a single one.
I hid my shock by keeping the mood light and tried to help them save face by feigning ignorance to a few which they asked me to find (all Asian countries and ridiculously easy).
I'm no Geography whiz, but the level of Geography of fairly level-headed Koreans seems quite shocking. How can you go through life knowing so little about the outside world? 

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« Reply #4210 on: March 14, 2017, 08:19:42 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.

I agree that church is too long.  Koreans want to turn it into an all day affair, and measure one's spirituality and devotion that way.  Sometimes I go to only one service and then leave.  It's been commented on, but hey, I'm an adult.

Koreans can also be superblunt. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4211 on: March 14, 2017, 08:20:59 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.

Sometimes, you just need to laugh it off.

Ex CT of mine, who was a really kind person and who I'd consider a friend said "You're such a good person, it's too bad you're a Muslim". She also spent the better part of the year trying to convert me... Honestly, I found it pretty hilarious; she reminded me of those cartoons of grown men in giant mouse costumes dangling a piece of cheese near the mouse hole.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4212 on: March 14, 2017, 08:42:20 AM »
For you, Dave Stepz.
No.

Why not, huh?
I don't know much about Jamie Oliver, but he lacks the... flair of Gordon.

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« Reply #4213 on: March 14, 2017, 08:54:02 AM »
For you, Dave Stepz.
No.

Why not, huh?
I don't know much about Jamie Oliver, but he lacks the... flair of Gordon.

I'll agree with you there. Oliver is much more hearty, simple home cooking. Ramsay is where it's at. I wouldn't put Mr. Baek and Ramsay in the same league EVER. Go to Bread Street Kitchen in Hong Kong! So good.

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« Reply #4214 on: March 14, 2017, 08:59:59 AM »
For you, Dave Stepz.
No.

Why not, huh?

Yes, why not?  You don't have to go far to see his smug like weasal-face and to hear that he's opened something new and has his little weaselly chops plastered on a new brand item for him, adding to his total domination of everything ever in Korea.  They are not chefs anymore.  They are just faces on boxes.  However Baek Jong Won's weaselly face and his dire programs where he stuffs his weaselly chops with food takes the biscuit.  He wasn't a restaurant chef before anyway.   :evil:

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« Reply #4215 on: March 14, 2017, 09:03:27 AM »
Yesterday, I helped my CT pin up a nice large map, in our classroom. It was one of the Koreanized maps, with Korea in the center complete with  Dokdo and 'Sea of Korea' labelled in a bolder font than capital cities, but I digress.
There were a few other teachers in the class as we usually meet there, at 3, for coffee and conversation. We started playing a 'find the country' game. After giving her a few difficult and obscure ones, like Uzbekistan and Lithuania, and having her fail, I went easier:

Saudi Arabia
Sicily
Spain
Argentina
Greenland
Algeria
Iceland

... When she failed to find any of them, the other 2 teachers tried and couldn't find a single one.
I hid my shock by keeping the mood light and tried to help them save face by feigning ignorance to a few which they asked me to find (all Asian countries and ridiculously easy).
I'm no Geography whiz, but the level of Geography of fairly level-headed Koreans seems quite shocking. How can you go through life knowing so little about the outside world?

To be fair, ask your average North American where anything is, and most of them won't know, either.

I can find my way home, so that's something. hahaha

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4216 on: March 14, 2017, 09:04:06 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.
Just laugh it off and reply that the Joseph and Mary -- literally God's own parents -- lived together a good long time before getting married.   :wink:

Also, you may not have noticed, but people here enjoy reading long, drawn out novels about other people's woes. Or at least I do. Write away! It's cathartic. :smiley:

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4217 on: March 14, 2017, 09:12:02 AM »
"Tell me honestly, did you ACTUALLY go to church in America?"
"Yes. But it was different. We didn't go all day. We went from 10-12."
"And did your parents live together before they were married?"
"Yes."
"Oh, well good Christians don't do that."

...I'm really, really trying to work through what his possible thinking process could have been to think it was okay to say that to me. I have theories. But I'm way too talkative and this will turn into a novel no one cares about if I try to articulate. So. Just trust that I am super pissed.
Just laugh it off and reply that the Joseph and Mary -- literally God's own parents -- lived together a good long time before getting married.   :wink:

Also, you may not have noticed, but people here enjoy reading long, drawn out novels about other people's woes. Or at least I do. Write away! It's cathartic. :smiley:

But they never had sex. Mary was ready for the second coming.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #4218 on: March 14, 2017, 09:42:23 AM »
My travel school has decided to blare music of singing children over the loudspeaker system during break.... why.....  :cry: >:( :cry:

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« Reply #4219 on: March 14, 2017, 09:45:17 AM »
But they never had sex. Mary was ready for the second coming.
But what does sex have to do with living together? :huh: :angel:
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