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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3720 on: December 28, 2016, 03:19:49 PM »
Why do you think they started camps? Pressure from the parents? Teachers complaining we have too much time off?

I've read it was because a bunch of NETs kept complaining about the amount of deskwarming they had to do, especially when comparing their own setups to other NETs who were permitted to stay home or take longer vacations at the discretion of their schools.

This would be a totally different job without camps. I can't imagine. Camp is easily the hardest part of this job.

I'm curious why you think that? I've probably had it easy -- week long camp at most, I get to do what I want, and it usually involves candy. I'm not a superfan but it's not...awful?

Some of us are fortunate. Others not so much. One of my friends always has to work multiple weeks of camp and has to try and fit in vacation in the midst somehow. Always tons of children and no Korean teacher. One good thing for her was a ridiculous budget.

I like camp when it rolls around but that's because I always have small numbers, manageable students, and generally get to do what I want. I spend a ton of time on prep but at least it's time spent on activities I enjoy.

For my kids in particular, I think camp is a very good thing because most are stuck on the island for the better part if not all of break and there's not much stuff they can do otherwise. At the least, they have fun getting together and hanging out.

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« Reply #3721 on: December 28, 2016, 03:36:38 PM »
Some schools started doing camps, while other schools didn't.

They were paid and voluntary (for the most part).

When several very vocal NETS complained that others were able to double-dip (regular salary, plus an extra 2 million for 2 weeks of camp), the administration made camps mandatory with no pay.

That is the way it went down 9-10 years ago.

Too many short-sighted mental midgets ruined a good thing for many.

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« Reply #3722 on: December 29, 2016, 07:36:02 AM »
I normally don't mind camp, but this year I have three weeks of 4 hours a day with 25-28 students per class, 4 different levels I'm still teaching this week and camp starts on Monday and I have to do prep on my own :blank: :cry:

As soon as camp is finished I have to prep placement tests for the new teacher. I'm sick of here. Desk warming sounds like a rainbow unicorn situation to me.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3723 on: December 29, 2016, 07:47:41 AM »
Why do you think they started camps? Pressure from the parents? Teachers complaining we have too much time off?

I've read it was because a bunch of NETs kept complaining about the amount of deskwarming they had to do, especially when comparing their own setups to other NETs who were permitted to stay home or take longer vacations at the discretion of their schools.

This would be a totally different job without camps. I can't imagine. Camp is easily the hardest part of this job.

I'm curious why you think that? I've probably had it easy -- week long camp at most, I get to do what I want, and it usually involves candy. I'm not a superfan but it's not...awful?

You've had it easy. My main school wanted 6 weeks of winter camp.
Because of when I took my vacation, it made too many half weeks during jan / feb, so they took it down to 3. Last time I checked they only had the sign ups for 1 week, so *hopefully* I'll only get 1 week at my main school and 1 week at my travel school.

And camp is both stressful and the most hardest part of this job. My main school started off with "We want 3 weeks of nothing but reading / writing / speaking / listening competitions - but didn't like any idea given to them. Now it is: "It must differ from your regular lessons, it must be fun, you have a budget of 0, it must be fun, and no watching movies." I have enough ideas for about 3 days, so most of my camp is going to be winged.

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« Reply #3724 on: December 29, 2016, 07:54:02 AM »
I'm anxious about camp because my coteacher was being all weird yesterday to me.... but talking with one of my friends helped me realize, well, if the camp goes badly, things won't be that much worse for me, and if camp goes well, things probably won't be that much better.

Still just tired of dealing with everyone though.

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« Reply #3725 on: December 29, 2016, 08:05:14 AM »
Finding a decent place to live in Seoul is miserable. Everything that's new or remodeled has awful built-in washing machines and gas / electric ranges. Everything older is scummy and dirty.

And everything is offensively expensive.

This is my current rant too. The place my school gave me has been so awful so I'm taking the pittance of a housing allowance and trying to go it alone. Been looking online for months, and it's rare I see anything passable (clean, enough space for a double bed, not an hours commute).

I know I shouldn't complain about the housing allowance yadda yadda but seriously, that amount may have been okay 10 years ago, not now.

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« Reply #3726 on: December 29, 2016, 08:09:04 AM »
I was just told that because today is the last day before vacation, all teachers are going out for lunch for fish soup and I MUST attend. I really don't like fish. Even though I explained this to my coteachers, they assured me it's okay because "it's not spicy!"

No, spicy isn't the problem, it's the fish. Why can't I choose anything else?  :sad:

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« Reply #3727 on: December 29, 2016, 08:13:46 AM »
I normally don't mind camp, but this year I have three weeks of 4 hours a day with 25-28 students per class, 4 different levels I'm still teaching this week and camp starts on Monday and I have to do prep on my own :blank: :cry:

As soon as camp is finished I have to prep placement tests for the new teacher. I'm sick of here. Desk warming sounds like a rainbow unicorn situation to me.

My situation is almost identical, and I'm away all weekend, so going in cold on Monday. I also have a zero won budget. I found a well planned Frozen camp on Waygook for elementary grades 3-6. It's for 3 days, but I am making it work for 5. Anywhere there is a craft activity, I've substituted something which uses paper only. Anywhere there is paint, we will use colouring pens. The movie will fill three periods on a Thursday. The rest I will stretch with filler activities.

I don't care if they don't like Frozen. Neither do I.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3728 on: December 29, 2016, 08:16:19 AM »
I was just told that because today is the last day before vacation, all teachers are going out for lunch for fish soup and I MUST attend. I really don't like fish. Even though I explained this to my coteachers, they assured me it's okay because "it's not spicy!"

No, spicy isn't the problem, it's the fish. Why can't I choose anything else?  :sad:
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3729 on: December 29, 2016, 08:19:51 AM »
Finding a decent place to live in Seoul is miserable. Everything that's new or remodeled has awful built-in washing machines and gas / electric ranges. Everything older is scummy and dirty.

And everything is offensively expensive.

This is my current rant too. The place my school gave me has been so awful so I'm taking the pittance of a housing allowance and trying to go it alone. Been looking online for months, and it's rare I see anything passable (clean, enough space for a double bed, not an hours commute).

I know I shouldn't complain about the housing allowance yadda yadda but seriously, that amount may have been okay 10 years ago, not now.


Oh. The money isn't really a big problem, but even if you're putting a 50 million deposit and paying like 800 a month rent, most places available in Seoul are still butt.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3730 on: December 29, 2016, 08:21:44 AM »
I was just told that because today is the last day before vacation, all teachers are going out for lunch for fish soup and I MUST attend. I really don't like fish. Even though I explained this to my coteachers, they assured me it's okay because "it's not spicy!"

No, spicy isn't the problem, it's the fish. Why can't I choose anything else?  :sad:

Just say, "Sorry, I don't really dig on fish. Is it possible to order something small that I can eat?" Your coworkers aren't monsters.

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« Reply #3731 on: December 29, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
I just found out that there's been some talk about the way I dress.

I actually don't really dress any differently than any of the other teachers here, but my clothes look different on me because I have a very, very different build. All the same, I'm not showing any skin that would be inappropriate in the Korean workplace, and nothing is tight.

While most of the staff and faculty don't see a problem with my clothes, there's a small group who feel like I should "cover up" more, which basically means that they want me to start wearing clothing two sizes too big for me or to wear a jacket constantly throughout the day.

Are they ****** kidding me?
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« Reply #3732 on: December 29, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
Finding a decent place to live in Seoul is miserable. Everything that's new or remodeled has awful built-in washing machines and gas / electric ranges. Everything older is scummy and dirty.

And everything is offensively expensive.

This is my current rant too. The place my school gave me has been so awful so I'm taking the pittance of a housing allowance and trying to go it alone. Been looking online for months, and it's rare I see anything passable (clean, enough space for a double bed, not an hours commute).

I know I shouldn't complain about the housing allowance yadda yadda but seriously, that amount may have been okay 10 years ago, not now.


Oh. The money isn't really a big problem, but even if you're putting a 50 million deposit and paying like 800 a month rent, most places available in Seoul are still butt.

Well that's kind of what I mean. Will absolutely have to pay out of pocket and even then it'll still be a total sh*thole. Been saving all year for this deposit, even when the exchange rate was so sweet... it's not even going to make much of a difference. I miss my old city, I could be living like a king normal person with this budget.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3733 on: December 29, 2016, 08:32:45 AM »
I was just told that because today is the last day before vacation, all teachers are going out for lunch for fish soup and I MUST attend. I really don't like fish. Even though I explained this to my coteachers, they assured me it's okay because "it's not spicy!"

No, spicy isn't the problem, it's the fish. Why can't I choose anything else?  :sad:

Just say, "Sorry, I don't really dig on fish. Is it possible to order something small that I can eat?" Your coworkers aren't monsters.

Yeah I asked that too, but the answer was no. Apparently I'm not allowed to go out and get something on my own either. So soup it is for me then....I hope the sides are decent.

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« Reply #3734 on: December 29, 2016, 08:38:46 AM »
Yesterday at the main school went through the whole closing schtick; listen to the principal ramble on at the 방학식, supervise the students while they pretend to clean, go out for lunch 회식, wish everyone a happy new year and get to go home early. Fantastic.

Today at the second school it's business as usual, regular classes and no cancellations  :shocked:

I'm really not feeling it. Can't we just call it a day already? ugh

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« Reply #3735 on: December 29, 2016, 08:45:35 AM »
I just found out that there's been some talk about the way I dress.

I actually don't really dress any differently than any of the other teachers here, but my clothes look different on me because I have a very, very different build. All the same, I'm not showing any skin that would be inappropriate in the Korean workplace, and nothing is tight.

While most of the staff and faculty don't see a problem with my clothes, there's a small group who feel like I should "cover up" more, which basically means that they want me to start wearing clothing two sizes too big for me or to wear a jacket constantly throughout the day.

Are they ****** kidding me?

Miserable. But, never underestimate the cattiness of school teachers and how they talk about foreign teachers. But, on the plus side, if parents aren't complaining and your principal and VP aren't complaining, then those teachers are just being gossipy trash.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3736 on: December 29, 2016, 08:47:39 AM »
I just found out that there's been some talk about the way I dress.

I actually don't really dress any differently than any of the other teachers here, but my clothes look different on me because I have a very, very different build. All the same, I'm not showing any skin that would be inappropriate in the Korean workplace, and nothing is tight.

While most of the staff and faculty don't see a problem with my clothes, there's a small group who feel like I should "cover up" more, which basically means that they want me to start wearing clothing two sizes too big for me or to wear a jacket constantly throughout the day.

Are they ****** kidding me?

Yeah, fuck dressing like a thrift store raggedy ann doll.

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« Reply #3737 on: December 29, 2016, 08:52:52 AM »
I just found out that there's been some talk about the way I dress.

I actually don't really dress any differently than any of the other teachers here, but my clothes look different on me because I have a very, very different build. All the same, I'm not showing any skin that would be inappropriate in the Korean workplace, and nothing is tight.

While most of the staff and faculty don't see a problem with my clothes, there's a small group who feel like I should "cover up" more, which basically means that they want me to start wearing clothing two sizes too big for me or to wear a jacket constantly throughout the day.

Are they ****** kidding me?


One of my friends had a "talking to" when she first got here because of a dress she was wearing. It wasn't revealing (even had sleeves) but the issue was that she had an average bum size which apparently equates to large here. Supposedly [elementary] school boys were complaining that it was distracting, or so sayeth her coT.

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« Reply #3738 on: December 29, 2016, 08:53:03 AM »
Finding a decent place to live in Seoul is miserable. Everything that's new or remodeled has awful built-in washing machines and gas / electric ranges. Everything older is scummy and dirty.

And everything is offensively expensive.

This is my current rant too. The place my school gave me has been so awful so I'm taking the pittance of a housing allowance and trying to go it alone. Been looking online for months, and it's rare I see anything passable (clean, enough space for a double bed, not an hours commute).

I know I shouldn't complain about the housing allowance yadda yadda but seriously, that amount may have been okay 10 years ago, not now.


Oh. The money isn't really a big problem, but even if you're putting a 50 million deposit and paying like 800 a month rent, most places available in Seoul are still butt.

Well that's kind of what I mean. Will absolutely have to pay out of pocket and even then it'll still be a total sh*thole. Been saving all year for this deposit, even when the exchange rate was so sweet... it's not even going to make much of a difference. I miss my old city, I could be living like a king normal person with this budget.

I mean, my place is nice, and I only have a 10 million deposit with 500 a month rent. But it's a one room, and I'm tired of having my kitchen in my bedroom. And it's too small to share with a significant other.

If you're only looking at one rooms, it's super possible to find modern, clean, and reasonably sized ones for a fairly affordable price.

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« Reply #3739 on: December 29, 2016, 08:59:23 AM »
I just found out that there's been some talk about the way I dress.

I actually don't really dress any differently than any of the other teachers here, but my clothes look different on me because I have a very, very different build. All the same, I'm not showing any skin that would be inappropriate in the Korean workplace, and nothing is tight.

While most of the staff and faculty don't see a problem with my clothes, there's a small group who feel like I should "cover up" more, which basically means that they want me to start wearing clothing two sizes too big for me or to wear a jacket constantly throughout the day.

Are they ****** kidding me?


One of my friends had a "talking to" when she first got here because of a dress she was wearing. It wasn't revealing (even had sleeves) but the issue was that she had an average bum size which apparently equates to large here. Supposedly [elementary] school boys were complaining that it was distracting, or so sayeth her coT.

I got a talking to about dresses I wore a few times. One had a sufficiently high neckline, but was fairly form-fitting around the bust, and I was told "you'd better zip up your jacket because the boys are very curious about the woman's body"

Uh ok

Another time I got in trouble for a dress which has a slit on the side although I was wearing opaque leggings because they could "see my leg" even though I've worn my courdoroy leggings as pants without incident... sigh