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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3460 on: December 13, 2016, 05:13:31 PM »
I just got low-key yelled at by the vice principal and two other admins because I wasn't in some classroom proctoring a test that I knew nothing about. No one told me anything, yet I am supposed to know every classes schedule for tests and when someone signs me up to proctor them????

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3461 on: December 13, 2016, 05:14:34 PM »
CO2 Teacher, can you look over this English passage and add come things to it? And improve what's there already?

Sure. I gots dem native skilled like she asked fo. (It's a formal document. Not long, but it's formal.)

Ad some flourishes here and there. Change some of the wording to make it less awkward.

 :-* No, not like that.

 :police: This is a perfect example of how this would look and sound in North America.

 :-* Noooo. If I translate that into Korean below the English part, it will sound strange.

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« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 05:20:58 PM by CO2 »
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3462 on: December 13, 2016, 05:14:48 PM »
I understand why Korean people are so sensitive about Japan, but what I don't understand is when they try to claim something small and insignificant doesn't come from Japan. Teaching the Konglish class when we got to "arbeit" meaning part-time job and I mentioned that this is the word that Japan uses, which is why it came to Korea and they all vehemently deny that suck a thing could happen ...  :blank:

for extra lulz tell them that Doraemon is actually Japanese. which it is.

had one obnoxious 6th grade kid once banging on and on about how korean animation is so great and blah blah blah, just look at Doraemon. pointed out to him that Doraemon was japanese and he vehemently denied it. showed him evidence online, little shit looked like he wanted to cry. that's what you get when you play with the big boys son.

All "Korean" famous cartoons are Japanese' crayon shinchan too.. etc..

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3463 on: December 13, 2016, 05:18:21 PM »
My MOE has just blocked Youtube. I'm trying to look up DIY videos for camp but I have to go through Naver to get to Youtube.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3464 on: December 13, 2016, 05:22:13 PM »
Just the usual camp gripes.

  • Submit a camp without knowing how many students will attend.
  • Submit a camp without knowing how the students will be grouped.
  • Make and submit camp for no budget, as per instruction, only to find out there is a budget.
  • Said budget is a mystery.
  • Edit camp and prepare materials for mystery budget.
  • Prediction: Materials exceed or fall short of mystery budget by mystery amount. Resubmit materials list until they exactly match the mystery number in the VP's mind. Number is between 1 and 1,000,000. Do it by yesterday.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3465 on: December 13, 2016, 05:22:57 PM »
My MOE has just blocked Youtube. I'm trying to look up DIY videos for camp but I have to go through Naver to get to Youtube.

How can she slap?
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3466 on: December 13, 2016, 05:25:14 PM »
Just the usual camp gripes.

  • Submit a camp without knowing how many students will attend.
  • Submit a camp without knowing how the students will be grouped.
  • Make and submit camp for no budget, as per instruction, only to find out there is a budget.
  • Said budget is a mystery.
  • Edit camp and prepare materials for mystery budget.
  • Prediction: Materials exceed or fall short of mystery budget by mystery amount. Resubmit materials list until they exactly match the mystery number in the VP's mind. Number is between 1 and 1,000,000. Do it by yesterday.
This.

Plus at my travel school, my KT sayd "There might not be camp. There is no budget." Is there camp or isn't there?!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3467 on: December 13, 2016, 05:33:42 PM »
Tis the season, when elem. coT gets uber interested in what I'm doing for middle school camp. Except this time, instead of asking me, she tells me she "had better talk to [my main coT] about winter camp." Umm okay. Trying to go behind my back to get specifics?? My main coT only requires a general outline of the camp schedule so it's not like she has detailed lesson plans and materials.

Like if this coT wanted to know a general idea of what I'm doing, I'm not averse to chatting about it. But last year she wanted me to send her ALL my lesson plans and materials for a camp that's not even the grade levels she teaches  :undecided: Of course I didn't. I even told her that most of the material wasn't anything I could send via email anyway. To which she just responded, "You had better send me all the lesson plans and materials."

Miserable. I'm a material factory and I'm really, really fussy about the quality of anything I make. I'm totally willing to share stuff when it's relevant or applicable to something one of my coteachers is doing. But when people just want me to dump ALL my stuff on them, especially when they've literally never made a single thing and just use stuff as-is from indieschool without even taking a tiny bit of time to proof it for mistakes or alter the vocabulary to match the textbook, then I draw the line.

Yup. My sentiments exactly. All I have to say is, "Vesetables."

I had one coteacher who, after I would make all my materials, would say she didn't like them because I'd done something similar a few months ago and it wasn't original enough, and then I found out she was using them in her classes and making me make more stuff. I was irritated.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3468 on: December 13, 2016, 05:41:45 PM »

I had one coteacher who, after I would make all my materials, would say she didn't like them because I'd done something similar a few months ago and it wasn't original enough, and then I found out she was using them in her classes and making me make more stuff. I was irritated.

A friend had a class that loved a particular game. She would rotate the games so that they'd remain relatively fresh. Then one day she brought back that beloved game only to hear the students sigh, "Again??" Found out her coT had been playing that game for EVERY class the coT taught alone for the past few weeks. The lengths of such laziness is astounding.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3469 on: December 13, 2016, 05:50:17 PM »
My MOE has just blocked Youtube. I'm trying to look up DIY videos for camp but I have to go through Naver to get to Youtube.

How can she slap?

I think there's slang in that thar yonder post but I ain't gettin' it... Slapping? No. No slapping. Fire. I want to set things on fire. I HATE this week. In the latest installment of the unnecessary-drama-that-is-camp, I know there's a budget. I know how much the budget is. It hasn't change din years. But my CT has just informed that there is no money for camp. Meanwhile, mysterious, useless, DUMB miscellaneous items totalling my mystery budget have just appeared on my CT's desk who keeps muttering to himself and asking why he ordered it.

But that's OK. I don't mind. I have fire. And it's only Tuesday and this week won't get any worse.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3470 on: December 13, 2016, 06:20:37 PM »
I had one coteacher who, after I would make all my materials, would say she didn't like them because I'd done something similar a few months ago and it wasn't original enough, and then I found out she was using them in her classes and making me make more stuff. I was irritated.

lmao

How did you eventually find out?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3471 on: December 13, 2016, 07:31:38 PM »
Not really ranting, but we don't have a thread for bemoaning our existence... yet.

There's something seriously wrong with my emotions right now.

My school sent out a survey to our 4th and 5th graders and their parents asking how they felt about the English program and about me in particular. I got very... mixed reviews.

I'm a teacher. Kids aren't all supposed to like me and obviously some parents are against NETs in the classroom. So I shouldn't be so shocked and hurt.

I'm not normally the "cries-in-a-bathroom" type, but I have seriously gave my all this year. I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3472 on: December 13, 2016, 07:47:20 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVNuyfhF0Q

This is not the path that should be taken.

Look back at some of the teachers you didn't like as a kid. I'm sure some of them were not your friend, but you learned a lot.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3473 on: December 13, 2016, 08:43:18 PM »
I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.
Popularity contests aren't easy.

What you listed above is pretty bare minimum.

I would suggest:

1. Learn your students names
2. In the beginning of every school year, have each student make an info card that contains key info, birthday, likes, dreams, family, etc.
3. Always smile and greet your students wherever you are.
4. Make a simple calendar with all of the students birthdays on0 them and acknowledge them on their special day.

So many other things you can do, but I'd start with the above.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3474 on: December 13, 2016, 09:34:06 PM »
I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.
Popularity contests aren't easy.

What you listed above is pretty bare minimum.

I would suggest:

1. Learn your students names
2. In the beginning of every school year, have each student make an info card that contains key info, birthday, likes, dreams, family, etc.
3. Always smile and greet your students wherever you are.
4. Make a simple calendar with all of the students birthdays on0 them and acknowledge them on their special day.

So many other things you can do, but I'd start with the above.

I'll try to smile more often, but learning all of their names is daunting. I would love to. But I've got over 500 students across three different schools. They all use different books, so I average 14 unique lesson plans a week (two classes at a rural school are back-to-back; I do actually know those kids' names). I tried the name-card thing, but the kids don't have an English classroom and the homeroom teachers don't care, so they're inevitably lost from week to week. Probably used as spitball material.  :rolleyes:

Hmm. Anyone have tips for learning names when there are just. so. many? Lol. That would actually be a cool goal for next year.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3475 on: December 13, 2016, 09:44:13 PM »
That's rough.

Much more difficult to build rapport in your situation.

Surely, every school, every classroom has a seating chart, no?

Start there.

Nicknames would make it easier.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3476 on: December 14, 2016, 08:26:25 AM »
I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.
Popularity contests aren't easy.

What you listed above is pretty bare minimum.

I would suggest:

1. Learn your students names
2. In the beginning of every school year, have each student make an info card that contains key info, birthday, likes, dreams, family, etc.
3. Always smile and greet your students wherever you are.
4. Make a simple calendar with all of the students birthdays on0 them and acknowledge them on their special day.

So many other things you can do, but I'd start with the above.

I'll try to smile more often, but learning all of their names is daunting. I would love to. But I've got over 500 students across three different schools. They all use different books, so I average 14 unique lesson plans a week (two classes at a rural school are back-to-back; I do actually know those kids' names). I tried the name-card thing, but the kids don't have an English classroom and the homeroom teachers don't care, so they're inevitably lost from week to week. Probably used as spitball material.  :rolleyes:

Hmm. Anyone have tips for learning names when there are just. so. many? Lol. That would actually be a cool goal for next year.

Yeah every class will have a document with students pictures and names, there is a Korean word for it but can't remember right now. If somehow they don't know what you're talking about then use the first intro class to make the name cards and take a picture of each student with the name card.
Take the document to every class so even if you can't remember you can sneakily look and remind yourself.

I have the same amount of kids as you and this is how i do it at my bigger schools. I still don't remember them all but I've got the main players down.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3477 on: December 14, 2016, 09:53:54 AM »
I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.
Popularity contests aren't easy.

What you listed above is pretty bare minimum.

I would suggest:

1. Learn your students names
2. In the beginning of every school year, have each student make an info card that contains key info, birthday, likes, dreams, family, etc.
3. Always smile and greet your students wherever you are.
4. Make a simple calendar with all of the students birthdays on0 them and acknowledge them on their special day.

So many other things you can do, but I'd start with the above.

I'll try to smile more often, but learning all of their names is daunting. I would love to. But I've got over 500 students across three different schools. They all use different books, so I average 14 unique lesson plans a week (two classes at a rural school are back-to-back; I do actually know those kids' names). I tried the name-card thing, but the kids don't have an English classroom and the homeroom teachers don't care, so they're inevitably lost from week to week. Probably used as spitball material.  :rolleyes:

Hmm. Anyone have tips for learning names when there are just. so. many? Lol. That would actually be a cool goal for next year.

Yeah every class will have a document with students pictures and names, there is a Korean word for it but can't remember right now. If somehow they don't know what you're talking about then use the first intro class to make the name cards and take a picture of each student with the name card.
Take the document to every class so even if you can't remember you can sneakily look and remind yourself.

I have the same amount of kids as you and this is how i do it at my bigger schools. I still don't remember them all but I've got the main players down.

In Korean, it is 사진명렬표.  It will have the photos and names of each student in their class.

All good suggestions by Pecan.  When I taught in smaller schools or if I have camps with different groups, I always make name cards for the students.  A little time spent doing this has so many benefits.  Greeting also is a great way.  I don't get this thing from foreign teachers that they don't like greeting Korean teachers multiple times in the corridor, thing is Koreans do it multiple times to each other too.   

I taught in the girls middle last year and that had 1000 students, but each class had a seat plan stuck to the teacher's desk, so you could easily name the students out of the 36 there.  You generally know the noisy students first, then the quieter ones, then there are the ones who even in October when you do the speaking test, you are like 'I never saw this student before'.  My bad!

If you have your own English room and have control of your classes.  Get a student list and you make the plan, and keep the copy with you while you teach.  Most of the time there are no complaints from students.  Also if you have problem classes, it is a psychological plus for you when students come to class and they don't get to choose their places.  The more you get to know the students the more effective you can make the partners. 

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3478 on: December 14, 2016, 10:01:30 AM »
Not really ranting, but we don't have a thread for bemoaning our existence... yet.

There's something seriously wrong with my emotions right now.

My school sent out a survey to our 4th and 5th graders and their parents asking how they felt about the English program and about me in particular. I got very... mixed reviews.

I'm a teacher. Kids aren't all supposed to like me and obviously some parents are against NETs in the classroom. So I shouldn't be so shocked and hurt.

I'm not normally the "cries-in-a-bathroom" type, but I have seriously gave my all this year. I create good lessons, I'm never late or absent, and I always say yes when asked to do something.

I don't know. I just feel discouraged right now. I was finally starting to feel good about staying for another year, I'm so excited about my Christmas lessons, and now I'm just... sad.

This is what happened to me 2 years ago.. That's when I decided, like the NET'S before me said, you are putting in waaay to much effort.

I teach what I am suppose to at a bare minimum, and actually my teaching stress has gone WAAAAY down, and some how the staff like me more etc... Kids attitudes didn't change at all.

People don't appreciate hard word and dedication/passion in Korea. They appreciate the illusion of it. It's not about doing work, its about being more stressed than your counter parts, alluding to your special situation why you don't do things.


Seriously, I used to care, now I am just another, laughing all the way to the bank NET. It's sad, but I am waaay better off from it, and the attitude towards my teaching, and input from students hasn't change AT ALL.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #3479 on: December 14, 2016, 10:06:15 AM »
To clarify, I'm unable, at my age, to remember all of the names of my students.  However, I always use a seating chart, so I am easily able to glance down and call on my students by name (it's a cheat, but as Dave mentioned above, it works a charm).

I would be lost without a seating chart.

I mean, how would one call on a student?  "Hey, YOU!" ;)

Wondering, do you do "passwords" with your students before they leave class?

It's quick and easy, but gives you a one-on-one, eye-to-eye with each student.

Also, do you try to call on each and every student throughout each class when/where feasible?  How do you do it to make sure it is fair?

I use a random name generator during activities when all of the students will eagerly raise their hands, as it is so very important to never being perceived as playing favorites with your students.

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