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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2500 on: November 15, 2016, 01:19:12 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He did nothing wrong. The student was better than the teacher.

He just did it wrong "for Korea."

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« Reply #2501 on: November 15, 2016, 01:19:29 PM »
I think we're well within our rights to give our opinion, when asked, on a language point.  I think it's natural that a student would seek the opinion of a native speaker if they have a question about their exam, regardless of who wrote the questions.

If we refuse to give our opinions in these situations then we literally might as well not be here.

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« Reply #2502 on: November 15, 2016, 01:39:44 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?

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« Reply #2503 on: November 15, 2016, 01:49:39 PM »
I think we're well within our rights to give our opinion, when asked, on a language point.  I think it's natural that a student would seek the opinion of a native speaker if they have a question about their exam, regardless of who wrote the questions.

If we refuse to give our opinions in these situations then we literally might as well not be here.
I have addressed this point at workshops before, and there are always those who don't "GET IT" at first.  Typically, they were those that had never taught before or had never traveled outside their country.

First, one needs to understand the work culture here and adopt it.

To be fair, you wouldn't pull this type of foolishness and insert yourself in another teacher's test in the US, either, so I wonder where Lurch is from.

That said, in Korea, depending on grade-level, a team of teachers create these tests.  If there is an error, it is a major MAJOR issue/headache that could cause problems for one or all of those teachers on the team, especially if parents get involved.

If/when you are trusted, usually the teachers will come to you to edit the exam prior to seeking the principal's approval stamp and having it printed.

Why that didn't happen in this case, only OP knows.

Arm, sorry, but you are way off base in your view on this subject. Giving your opinion after the fact will only make things worse.

You need to have your colleague's back.

I have been asked for my opinion on test questions many a times.

S: "Pecan what is the answer?"
T: "Who gave you the test?"
S: "Ms. X"
T: "Did you ask her?"
S: "Yes."
T: "What did she say?"
S: blah, blah, blah
T: "What do you think the answer is?"
S: blah, blah, blah
T: "I see."
S: "What do you think Pecan?"
T: "I think you should talk to Ms. X, as there is nothing I can do to help you.  Sorry."


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« Reply #2504 on: November 15, 2016, 02:00:26 PM »
What a day...

I teach at 4 schools (all of which want to do camp) and in May, I told my CT at one of my rural schools to let me know about Winter camp plans ASAP, as I work on a first come first serve basis.
I regularly reminded her and by July, 3 of my schools had locked in their dates, I'd signed my vacation days off and booked my plane tickets.

Today, 15th of November, she announces that she wants to do camp for Winter. Quite bluntly, I told her there was no way that was happening. She's convinced that it's unfair that I only teach camp at my 3 other schools. Apparently, explaining what first come first serve means didn't work.

To add to this, she comes to school with nothing short of bubonic plague, coughing and sneezing her lungs out, which is compounded by her habit of standing way too close to me. Delicately, I try to explain that she's aggravating her condition and she's potentially infecting me and all the students she comes into contact with. She goes on to leave used tissues all over my desk to, as if to stress the point that she couldn't care less.

The ace up her sleeve is to tell me, after lunch, that all the teachers will be going on a hike at 3pm. As usual, no prior notice is given, and I'm expected to walk up a mountain in my dress pants and oxfords.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2505 on: November 15, 2016, 02:06:35 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?
Well, you are either simply being ignorant or taking the piss, because only a mouth-breather would think that a student would ever ask you an English exam question for "shits-n-giggles", especially someone who is a known "ringer".

That is why, as others have said countless times, when asked a question, you ask "Why?" before sticking your foot in your mouth.

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« Reply #2506 on: November 15, 2016, 02:18:43 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?
Well, you are either simply being ignorant or taking the piss, becauseonly a mouth-breather would think that a student would ever ask you an English exam question for "shits-n-giggles", especially someone who is a known "ringer".

That is why, as others have said countless times, when asked a question, you ask "Why?" before sticking your foot in your mouth.

Except he didn't say it was an exam question. He said "such-and-such question," and then said he didn't know it was an exam question. In answering such a question, he wasn't trying to insert himself into something, which is what you initially accused him of. He was just helping a student.

Perhaps you can (and are, apparently) fault him for not asking every student why they want to know every single time they ask something. I won't argue that point, if that's the way you choose to teach.

Perhaps I am, as you say, just ignorant. I enjoy helping my students when they ask me to, so unless something is obviously an issue with exam content, I don't usually give my kids the third degree before explaining things. I didn't know that could be problematic, but I suppose there'd be no harm in being more cautious in the future.

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« Reply #2507 on: November 15, 2016, 02:26:49 PM »
This is what was said:

"My co-workers told me to never discuss test questions with my students after the exam. If my students had any questions about them, I was to send them straight to their Korean teacher who made the questions because my answers were inflammatory..."

Is it still hard for you to figure out what happened above, Mr. Tim?

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« Reply #2508 on: November 15, 2016, 02:33:30 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?
Well, you are either simply being ignorant or taking the piss, because only a mouth-breather would think that a student would ever ask you an English exam question for "shits-n-giggles", especially someone who is a known "ringer".

That is why, as others have said countless times, when asked a question, you ask "Why?" before sticking your foot in your mouth.

I had this happen once. Kid asked me like a week after getting their test back about something during class as I was walking around monitoring an activity. If I asked every kid who asked me a question why they were asking that question I wouldn't have time to teach...

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2509 on: November 15, 2016, 02:35:49 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?
Well, you are either simply being ignorant or taking the piss, because only a mouth-breather would think that a student would ever ask you an English exam question for "shits-n-giggles", especially someone who is a known "ringer".

That is why, as others have said countless times, when asked a question, you ask "Why?" before sticking your foot in your mouth.

I had this happen once. Kid asked me like a week after getting their test back about something during class as I was walking around monitoring an activity. If I asked every kid who asked me a question why they were asking that question I wouldn't have time to teach...
Hey, you do it your way!  Give your opinion about questions from a test that you didn't write, nor edit!!!

When your relationship with your coteacher turns to crap, just don't come here and act the fool, like you don't know how it happened.
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« Reply #2510 on: November 15, 2016, 02:39:10 PM »
This is what was said:

"My co-workers told me to never discuss test questions with my students after the exam. If my students had any questions about them, I was to send them straight to their Korean teacher who made the questions because my answers were inflammatory..."

Is it still hard for you to figure out what happened above, Mr. Tim?

Yes, that is what was initially said. When you called him out on that, he further clarified on what had occurred the one time there was an issue. He clearly demonstrated that your criticism wasn't entirely applicable in the situation.

At that point, rather than saying something like "Ah, well then what I said doesn't really apply to that particular situation," you dug in your heels and continued to insist he was in the wrong, saying he was just trying to justify it rather than accept responsibility.

You could've conceded while still taking the opportunity to make a suggestion on how to change moving forward, but instead you stuck with your usual condescending schtick. You could've been constructive, but you chose instead to just be a jerk.

Serious question: Is the way you talk to people in here an indication of how you talk to people face-to-face?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2511 on: November 15, 2016, 02:41:29 PM »
Hindsight being 20/20, do you know understand what you did was wrong?

I ask, because it didn't sound like it from you post.

It sounded more like you were justifying it, rather than accepting responsibility for making trouble.

He said he didn't know it was a test question, so your earlier complaint didn't apply to that situation. He wasn't trying to meddle or second guessing the KETs, he was just answering a question a student had.  He wasn't "inserting himself," and he couldn't have "redirected them to ask the teacher who made the test," because he didn't even know it was from a test.

So hindsight being 20/20, do you see now how what you said doesn't apply to him there?
Well, you are either simply being ignorant or taking the piss, because only a mouth-breather would think that a student would ever ask you an English exam question for "shits-n-giggles", especially someone who is a known "ringer".

That is why, as others have said countless times, when asked a question, you ask "Why?" before sticking your foot in your mouth.

That's silly. Kids are supposed to ask questions in class, that's normal classroom behavior. Everytime they ask a question, you should ask why they're asking?! In what world?

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #2512 on: November 15, 2016, 02:44:32 PM »
Why you asking? ;)

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« Reply #2513 on: November 15, 2016, 02:56:25 PM »
What a day...

I teach at 4 schools (all of which want to do camp) and in May, I told my CT at one of my rural schools to let me know about Winter camp plans ASAP, as I work on a first come first serve basis.
I regularly reminded her and by July, 3 of my schools had locked in their dates, I'd signed my vacation days off and booked my plane tickets.

Today, 15th of November, she announces that she wants to do camp for Winter. Quite bluntly, I told her there was no way that was happening. She's convinced that it's unfair that I only teach camp at my 3 other schools. Apparently, explaining what first come first serve means didn't work.

To add to this, she comes to school with nothing short of bubonic plague, coughing and sneezing her lungs out, which is compounded by her habit of standing way too close to me. Delicately, I try to explain that she's aggravating her condition and she's potentially infecting me and all the students she comes into contact with. She goes on to leave used tissues all over my desk to, as if to stress the point that she couldn't care less.

The ace up her sleeve is to tell me, after lunch, that all the teachers will be going on a hike at 3pm. As usual, no prior notice is given, and I'm expected to walk up a mountain in my dress pants and oxfords.

That's completely disgusting and entirely passive aggressive  :huh:

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« Reply #2514 on: November 16, 2016, 07:35:31 AM »
What a day...

I teach at 4 schools (all of which want to do camp) and in May, I told my CT at one of my rural schools to let me know about Winter camp plans ASAP, as I work on a first come first serve basis.
I regularly reminded her and by July, 3 of my schools had locked in their dates, I'd signed my vacation days off and booked my plane tickets.

Today, 15th of November, she announces that she wants to do camp for Winter. Quite bluntly, I told her there was no way that was happening. She's convinced that it's unfair that I only teach camp at my 3 other schools. Apparently, explaining what first come first serve means didn't work.

To add to this, she comes to school with nothing short of bubonic plague, coughing and sneezing her lungs out, which is compounded by her habit of standing way too close to me. Delicately, I try to explain that she's aggravating her condition and she's potentially infecting me and all the students she comes into contact with. She goes on to leave used tissues all over my desk to, as if to stress the point that she couldn't care less.

The ace up her sleeve is to tell me, after lunch, that all the teachers will be going on a hike at 3pm. As usual, no prior notice is given, and I'm expected to walk up a mountain in my dress pants and oxfords.

That's completely disgusting and entirely passive aggressive  :huh:

Could very well be. Then again, she is extremely untidy and leaving tissues on the desk (which we share), seems about right.
On the hike, all the teachers sat down to share food from a single large bowl. Hacking and sneezing away she heartily indulged whilst her, and all the other teachers, seemed perplexed and perturbed by the fact that I kept my distance and opted not to eat from the same bowl as her and 8 other people.

 

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« Reply #2515 on: November 16, 2016, 08:00:39 AM »
Urg.

1.  We have the 1.5 hour delayed start tomorrow for the university exam... but they've just shifted the day and erased 7th hour, which I'm not scheduled for, so none of my classes are canceled.

2.  The mugunghwa train is so goddamn crowded since they've canceled a few of the routes.  They've been running out of standing tickets more and more lately which forces me to just sneak on because I'm not going to wait over two hours for the next one.  If this was in my country I would be writing and calling the company to complain every day.  I can't be the only one mega inconvenienced by this.

3.  Every single day all the students and teachers who aren't me are given a carton of milk.  They give me so many shitty rice cakes and other gross bs every day that I don't want, and the milk would be the one thing I do want.  I don't understand why I don't get it... I pay into the school fund...  Luckily a few of the teachers give me theirs if they don't want it that day.

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« Reply #2516 on: November 16, 2016, 08:09:22 AM »
Urg.

1.  We have the 1.5 hour delayed start tomorrow for the university exam... but they've just shifted the day and erased 7th hour, which I'm not scheduled for, so none of my classes are canceled.

2.  The mugunghwa train is so goddamn crowded since they've canceled a few of the routes.  They've been running out of standing tickets more and more lately which forces me to just sneak on because I'm not going to wait over two hours for the next one.  If this was in my country I would be writing and calling the company to complain every day.  I can't be the only one mega inconvenienced by this.

3.  Every single day all the students and teachers who aren't me are given a carton of milk.  They give me so many shitty rice cakes and other gross bs every day that I don't want, and the milk would be the one thing I do want.  I don't understand why I don't get it... I pay into the school fund...  Luckily a few of the teachers give me theirs if they don't want it that day.
Go to the 행정실 and ask your school administrator about the milk. I'm almost positive that if you ask, they'll take 300 won or so a day out your paycheck and you'll get your milk. Sometimes using words to communicate with people can be an amazing tool.

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« Reply #2517 on: November 16, 2016, 08:31:33 AM »

Go to the 행정실 and ask your school administrator about the milk. I'm almost positive that if you ask, they'll take 300 won or so a day out your paycheck and you'll get your milk. Sometimes using words to communicate with people can be an amazing tool.

Yes.  Because this thread/forum isn't 100% full of people who try using words to communicate with people and are misunderstood all day every day.  Great advice.

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« Reply #2518 on: November 16, 2016, 08:41:56 AM »
Urg.

1.  We have the 1.5 hour delayed start tomorrow for the university exam... but they've just shifted the day and erased 7th hour, which I'm not scheduled for, so none of my classes are canceled.

2.  The mugunghwa train is so goddamn crowded since they've canceled a few of the routes.  They've been running out of standing tickets more and more lately which forces me to just sneak on because I'm not going to wait over two hours for the next one.  If this was in my country I would be writing and calling the company to complain every day.  I can't be the only one mega inconvenienced by this.

3.  Every single day all the students and teachers who aren't me are given a carton of milk.  They give me so many shitty rice cakes and other gross bs every day that I don't want, and the milk would be the one thing I do want.  I don't understand why I don't get it... I pay into the school fund...  Luckily a few of the teachers give me theirs if they don't want it that day.
Go to the 행정실 and ask your school administrator about the milk. I'm almost positive that if you ask, they'll take 300 won or so a day out your paycheck and you'll get your milk. Sometimes using words to communicate with people can be an amazing tool.

You have to pay extra for the milk. It's a separate purchase from any school fund.

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« Reply #2519 on: November 16, 2016, 09:07:31 AM »
You have to pay extra for the milk. It's a separate purchase from any school fund.

Okay.  That's surprising to me since no one ever mentioned it to me and there's one teacher that gives hers to me a few times a week.  Why doesn't she just not pay for it?