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« Reply #1000 on: September 19, 2016, 02:01:04 PM »
I taught at the same school for four years. I had one co-teacher who told me I wasn't allowed to use material I'd made for the previous year.
I don't understand. This makes the lessons BETTER. You know what works and what doesn't. You know how to improve it.

And the best part? IT'S STILL NEW FOR THE STUDENTS. The teachers have done it sure, but it's not about them. It's about education for the students. And if you know that something is engaging and educational, you should be able to use it a million times. As long as you don't act bored with the material, who gives a shit?

So stupid.

Yeah. It was absurd. I had one lesson I wanted to do for the grade six writing period in a lesson. Students see a sentence on the TV and have to find the mistakes, correct them, and write it in their notebook. I was at a really high level school, so students actually really enjoyed stuff like this that was a bit of a challenge. I had made it from scratch the previous year with sentences that exactly matched the lesson material, etc.

So, I was like, "Let's use this lesson, it worked really well last year and students really enjoyed it."

She responded, "Well, you should be making new material and being more creative. Plus, it doesn't matter if students enjoyed it, it matters whether or not it was useful. We can't just do whatever students want all the time."

And I was like, "This is an activity for the writing period which actively gets students writing, and also writing correctly and learning how to spot their own mistakes, and they enjoy it."

And in the end she said she didn't like it and I had to make something new.

Honestly, some co-teachers make no sense at all. I have one who prefers to handle all of the speaking bits, including listening and repeating..... Like, hello...? I'm the native speaker... Maybe it would be better if they heard my pronunciation... :rolleyes: And I appreciate that he tries to teach them phrases and vocabulary that aren't in the textbook, but it would be a lot better if he actually checked them with me so that he doesn't go and teach them grammatically incorrect phrases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It would be fine if he was actually good at English...

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1001 on: September 19, 2016, 02:09:07 PM »
The one who I had this disagreement with had exceptionally good English, but...

Oh, yeah, my situation was completely different. I just quoted you because it kind of reminded me of my one co-teacher. In your case, it's annoying regardless of the KT's English ability when they try to control your lesson just for the sake of being in control.

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« Reply #1002 on: September 19, 2016, 02:29:08 PM »
Honestly, some co-teachers make no sense at all. I have one who prefers to handle all of the speaking bits, including listening and repeating..... Like, hello...? I'm the native speaker... Maybe it would be better if they heard my pronunciation... :rolleyes: And I appreciate that he tries to teach them phrases and vocabulary that aren't in the textbook, but it would be a lot better if he actually checked them with me so that he doesn't go and teach them grammatically incorrect phrases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It would be fine if he was actually good at English...

THIS. For some reason my elem. coT has decided that her speaking and pronunciation is much more important than mine in our grade 3 classes... it's as if she wants to impress upon them her own pronunciations instead of more correct ways. With grade 3s I feel it is especially important for them to listen to a, oh, I don't know, NATIVE SPEAKER.  >:(

I will pronounce things but then she'll keep trying to take over the class and force her own pronunciation on them. I will repeat pronunciation for the kids but sometimes she'll insist on having the last word (literally). The battles become time wasters so I have to just let it go a lot of the time.

But this is a teacher who mixes up L & R, F & V, even S and Th. Not to mention dropping articles and teaching the students incorrectly even after I've stated the correct way (ex. How many dog? Do you like a dog?  :blank:)

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1003 on: September 19, 2016, 02:59:30 PM »
I hate eating lunch with my coworkers. It's so lonely. Every day I go with my 3 English coteachers and sometimes the gym and music teachers. All 5 of them can speak English to some degree, however they always exclude me from conversation. I've tried making small talk with them... "How was your trip?" "Wow did you feel the earthquake last night?" But it just turns into a simple response and they carry on the conversation without me in Korean. I feel like it's a little rude to butt in and ask what's going on, so I just kinda gave up and eat lunch in silence every day. I understand and don't expect them to go way out of their comfort zone to speak English to me all during lunch time, but I would appreciate them including me every once in a while.... :sad:

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« Reply #1004 on: September 19, 2016, 03:02:28 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1005 on: September 19, 2016, 03:06:37 PM »
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No it isn't. If you take in fewer calories than you expend you will lose weight. Whether or not you put it on again when you change your diet afterwards and how quickly, is a different issue and not one I was commenting on. 

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« Reply #1006 on: September 19, 2016, 03:09:03 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

I was once told that it's incorrect to pronounce the 't' in 'badminton,' and that it should be pronounced 'badmin'on' with a glottal stop. I disagreed, and she said "You don't know because you didn't study this. You're just going by your instinct as a native speaker."

Wrap your head around that.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone around me has ever pronounced it without the 't'... Your KT is stupid.

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« Reply #1007 on: September 19, 2016, 03:10:45 PM »
When I first started teaching, this coT would constantly try to change the rules in games. Occasionally there were times when things could be a little flexible (like 2 teams or 3 teams) but other times... once I was teaching a version of battleship and she tried to interrupt and say "oh, but I think it's ok if they can see (each other's boards)" to which I shut her down and just told her no.  >:( The game literally does not work the way she wanted to play it.

A lot of the kids know how she is though. When she goes off on a rambling tangent they just look at me despairingly. And they get disappointed if it turns out she's using a class to "catch up on the book" because the book is boring as hell and then they don't get to play any games or do any activities.

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1008 on: September 19, 2016, 03:12:55 PM »
Honestly, some co-teachers make no sense at all. I have one who prefers to handle all of the speaking bits, including listening and repeating..... Like, hello...? I'm the native speaker... Maybe it would be better if they heard my pronunciation... :rolleyes: And I appreciate that he tries to teach them phrases and vocabulary that aren't in the textbook, but it would be a lot better if he actually checked them with me so that he doesn't go and teach them grammatically incorrect phrases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It would be fine if he was actually good at English...

THIS. For some reason my elem. coT has decided that her speaking and pronunciation is much more important than mine in our grade 3 classes... it's as if she wants to impress upon them her own pronunciations instead of more correct ways. With grade 3s I feel it is especially important for them to listen to a, oh, I don't know, NATIVE SPEAKER.  >:(

I will pronounce things but then she'll keep trying to take over the class and force her own pronunciation on them. I will repeat pronunciation for the kids but sometimes she'll insist on having the last word (literally). The battles become time wasters so I have to just let it go a lot of the time.

But this is a teacher who mixes up L & R, F & V, even S and Th. Not to mention dropping articles and teaching the students incorrectly even after I've stated the correct way (ex. How many dog? Do you like a dog?  :blank:)

Do your students get confused with the pronunciation? I have these same types of battles with my CT over the word "finished", and the students faces when I correct them are like  :huh: :huh:

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« Reply #1009 on: September 19, 2016, 03:16:23 PM »
Honestly, some co-teachers make no sense at all. I have one who prefers to handle all of the speaking bits, including listening and repeating..... Like, hello...? I'm the native speaker... Maybe it would be better if they heard my pronunciation... :rolleyes: And I appreciate that he tries to teach them phrases and vocabulary that aren't in the textbook, but it would be a lot better if he actually checked them with me so that he doesn't go and teach them grammatically incorrect phrases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: It would be fine if he was actually good at English...

THIS. For some reason my elem. coT has decided that her speaking and pronunciation is much more important than mine in our grade 3 classes... it's as if she wants to impress upon them her own pronunciations instead of more correct ways. With grade 3s I feel it is especially important for them to listen to a, oh, I don't know, NATIVE SPEAKER.  >:(

I will pronounce things but then she'll keep trying to take over the class and force her own pronunciation on them. I will repeat pronunciation for the kids but sometimes she'll insist on having the last word (literally). The battles become time wasters so I have to just let it go a lot of the time.

But this is a teacher who mixes up L & R, F & V, even S and Th. Not to mention dropping articles and teaching the students incorrectly even after I've stated the correct way (ex. How many dog? Do you like a dog?  :blank:)

Do your students get confused with the pronunciation? I have these same types of battles with my CT over the word "finished", and the students faces when I correct them are like  :huh: :huh:

I can hear some of the students fixing their pronunciation to follow mine but some I think just aren't good at pronunciation [yet]. It's an uphill battle. If she would just shut up and stop yapping there could be some more improvement but...

Also, badmin'on?!? What dafuq!!

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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1010 on: September 19, 2016, 03:20:31 PM »
once I was teaching a version of battleship and she tried to interrupt and say "oh, but I think it's ok if they can see (each other's boards)" to which I shut her down and just told her no.  >:( The game literally does not work the way she wanted to play it.

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« Reply #1011 on: September 19, 2016, 03:28:21 PM »
Right? And this is the coT who is stockpiling my materials... I shudder to think if she actually tries to use any of them herself when I'm gone.

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« Reply #1012 on: September 19, 2016, 03:39:11 PM »
Right? And this is the coT who is stockpiling my materials... I shudder to think if she actually tries to use any of them herself when I'm gone.

My annoying co-teacher from last year asked me for all my powerpoints before she left because she wants to coast through her classes at her new school (she literally said that...) and I told her that my USB was corrupted so I couldn't give her everything. The few I gave her, though... All I can say is good luck using them lol I customise all my PPTs to suit the way that I teach and explain. There are no notes and a lot of times there are no actual words so you have to know how the powerpoint is set up in order to use them. :laugh: A lot of times, I have a general script in my head and the order of the slides and animations reflect that unwritten script. :evil:

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« Reply #1013 on: September 19, 2016, 03:47:13 PM »
Right? And this is the coT who is stockpiling my materials... I shudder to think if she actually tries to use any of them herself when I'm gone.

My annoying co-teacher from last year asked me for all my powerpoints before she left because she wants to coast through her classes at her new school (she literally said that...) and I told her that my USB was corrupted so I couldn't give her everything. The few I gave her, though... All I can say is good luck using them lol I customise all my PPTs to suit the way that I teach and explain. There are no notes and a lot of times there are no actual words so you have to know how the powerpoint is set up in order to use them. :laugh: A lot of times, I have a general script in my head and the order of the slides and animations reflect that unwritten script. :evil:

Another thing that annoys me-- this coT would insist I email her everything (lesson plans, ppts, materials) in advance but quickly stopped actually checking any of it (after which I sent her bunk). If she had actually checked my PPTs beforehand, she might understand the flow of the lesson. Instead, she often interrupts me to "tell them something" that actually comes up later in the PPT. A lot of times I cut her off and tell her that it's in the PPT but honestly I swear she just likes to hear herself talk  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1014 on: September 19, 2016, 03:54:47 PM »
Right? And this is the coT who is stockpiling my materials... I shudder to think if she actually tries to use any of them herself when I'm gone.

My annoying co-teacher from last year asked me for all my powerpoints before she left because she wants to coast through her classes at her new school (she literally said that...) and I told her that my USB was corrupted so I couldn't give her everything. The few I gave her, though... All I can say is good luck using them lol I customise all my PPTs to suit the way that I teach and explain. There are no notes and a lot of times there are no actual words so you have to know how the powerpoint is set up in order to use them. :laugh: A lot of times, I have a general script in my head and the order of the slides and animations reflect that unwritten script. :evil:

Another thing that annoys me-- this coT would insist I email her everything (lesson plans, ppts, materials) in advance but quickly stopped actually checking any of it (after which I sent her bunk). If she had actually checked my PPTs beforehand, she might understand the flow of the lesson. Instead, she often interrupts me to "tell them something" that actually comes up later in the PPT. A lot of times I cut her off and tell her that it's in the PPT but honestly I swear she just likes to hear herself talk  :rolleyes:

This conversation is making me so glad that my old co-teacher left. :laugh:

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« Reply #1015 on: September 19, 2016, 05:13:08 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

I was once told that it's incorrect to pronounce the 't' in 'badminton,' and that it should be pronounced 'badmin'on' with a glottal stop. I disagreed, and she said "You don't know because you didn't study this. You're just going by your instinct as a native speaker."

Wrap your head around that.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone around me has ever pronounced it without the 't'... Your KT is stupid.

I've literally never heard it pronounced without the 't'. I mean, people don't always enunciate it well, but ain't nobody saying 'Gonna go play me some badminon.'

Anyways. These days my coteachers are rad. So, everything #based. My ring is a mansion.

I pronounce "badminton" with a glottal stop instead of a T. So does everyone in my family. It's also how I pronounce similar words, like the name "Quentin." However, I do realize that that's probably a regional thing, and I told my students about both pronunciations. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that pronouncing the T was wrong.

Out of curiosity I just did a quick search about the common pronunciations of the word, and apparently it's also a thing for people to omit the N and pronounce it like "Bad-mitten."

D@mn, English! You crazy!

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« Reply #1016 on: September 19, 2016, 08:10:52 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

I was once told that it's incorrect to pronounce the 't' in 'badminton,' and that it should be pronounced 'badmin'on' with a glottal stop. I disagreed, and she said "You don't know because you didn't study this. You're just going by your instinct as a native speaker."

Wrap your head around that.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone around me has ever pronounced it without the 't'... Your KT is stupid.

I've literally never heard it pronounced without the 't'. I mean, people don't always enunciate it well, but ain't nobody saying 'Gonna go play me some badminon.'

Anyways. These days my coteachers are rad. So, everything #based. My ring is a mansion.

I pronounce "badminton" with a glottal stop instead of a T. So does everyone in my family. It's also how I pronounce similar words, like the name "Quentin." However, I do realize that that's probably a regional thing, and I told my students about both pronunciations. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that pronouncing the T was wrong.

Out of curiosity I just did a quick search about the common pronunciations of the word, and apparently it's also a thing for people to omit the N and pronounce it like "Bad-mitten."

D@mn, English! You crazy!

Sounds like scolding a naughty cat  :laugh:

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« Reply #1017 on: September 19, 2016, 08:25:39 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

I was once told that it's incorrect to pronounce the 't' in 'badminton,' and that it should be pronounced 'badmin'on' with a glottal stop. I disagreed, and she said "You don't know because you didn't study this. You're just going by your instinct as a native speaker."

Wrap your head around that.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone around me has ever pronounced it without the 't'... Your KT is stupid.

I've literally never heard it pronounced without the 't'. I mean, people don't always enunciate it well, but ain't nobody saying 'Gonna go play me some badminon.'

Anyways. These days my coteachers are rad. So, everything #based. My ring is a mansion.

I pronounce "badminton" with a glottal stop instead of a T. So does everyone in my family. It's also how I pronounce similar words, like the name "Quentin." However, I do realize that that's probably a regional thing, and I told my students about both pronunciations. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that pronouncing the T was wrong.

Out of curiosity I just did a quick search about the common pronunciations of the word, and apparently it's also a thing for people to omit the N and pronounce it like "Bad-mitten."

D@mn, English! You crazy!

I might say 'badmin'on' if I was speaking really fast but even then I'd drop it to a d and say 'badminden.'

I'm not sure if it's a Canadian thing but you can always tell someone is not when they say Toron-To instead of Toronno.

On a related note to interesting KT corrections;

Once for a grade 5 class my KT insisted the spelling of cookie was actually cooky. I tried but failed to win that fight.

The following year with a different KT at some point the kids all had to spell cookie on a test and she came up to show me and asked if I knew what was going on.... ah fun times.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD 3.0
« Reply #1018 on: September 19, 2016, 08:37:02 PM »
Y'all, I am really, really, REALLY not handling these earthquakes well.

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« Reply #1019 on: September 19, 2016, 08:43:14 PM »
#basedcowboyshirt: I completely agree. I hate co-teaching and it doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with the KT. I only dislike one co-teacher at the moment but that doesn't even matter. I just hate co-teaching--period.

yirj17: One of my co-teachers last year actually tried to correct my pronunciation one time in the middle of class. :rolleyes: I didn't even bother telling her how stupid that was; I think the look I gave her was enough to get the message across.

I was once told that it's incorrect to pronounce the 't' in 'badminton,' and that it should be pronounced 'badmin'on' with a glottal stop. I disagreed, and she said "You don't know because you didn't study this. You're just going by your instinct as a native speaker."

Wrap your head around that.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone around me has ever pronounced it without the 't'... Your KT is stupid.

I've literally never heard it pronounced without the 't'. I mean, people don't always enunciate it well, but ain't nobody saying 'Gonna go play me some badminon.'

Anyways. These days my coteachers are rad. So, everything #based. My ring is a mansion.

I pronounce "badminton" with a glottal stop instead of a T. So does everyone in my family. It's also how I pronounce similar words, like the name "Quentin." However, I do realize that that's probably a regional thing, and I told my students about both pronunciations. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that pronouncing the T was wrong.

Out of curiosity I just did a quick search about the common pronunciations of the word, and apparently it's also a thing for people to omit the N and pronounce it like "Bad-mitten."

D@mn, English! You crazy!

I might say 'badmin'on' if I was speaking really fast but even then I'd drop it to a d and say 'badminden.'

I'm not sure if it's a Canadian thing but you can always tell someone is not when they say Toron-To instead of Toronno.

On a related note to interesting KT corrections;

Once for a grade 5 class my KT insisted the spelling of cookie was actually cooky. I tried but failed to win that fight.

The following year with a different KT at some point the kids all had to spell cookie on a test and she came up to show me and asked if I knew what was going on.... ah fun times.

You know you can modify your original comment, right? I get that waygook formatting isn't the most intuitive thing, but..............