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Best way to deal with North Korea?
« on: August 11, 2017, 03:32:18 AM »
Fire away boys and gals!!

Personally I think China could tell North Korea to halt all nuclear operations or expect to get occupied in 24 hours. China could basically take down the whole country and avoid a war.

What are your opinions a d suggestions on this topic?

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 07:07:57 AM »
China needs to sort out the situation.

Trump needs to shut his mouth as it's hitting me in the hip pocket on account of the dropping Won due to all this talk of war.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 07:17:34 AM »
Can you lot across the pond sort your shit out and finally get rid of this orange clown? Reckless rhetoric and provocation because your domestic policy is failing isn't doing anyone any favours. Hasn't this idiot got a wall to be building?

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 09:21:49 AM »
Why does North Korea need to be "dealt with"? Have they invaded another country? Blockaded someone? Bombed civilians?

Or are they a sovereign nation improving their ability to defend themselves against rivals who constantly do all of the above?

North Korea can do whatever they want in their own country.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 09:51:40 AM »
Why does North Korea need to be "dealt with"? Have they invaded another country? Blockaded someone? Bombed civilians?

Or are they a sovereign nation improving their ability to defend themselves against rivals who constantly do all of the above?

North Korea can do whatever they want in their own country.

Export of nuclear/ballistic missile technology is the big concern. They've done so in the past and if they did so in the future under protection of a nuclear deterrent that could have severe consequences.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 09:58:20 AM »
Make the US president a thin-skinned moron because white supremacist revenge fantasies and "but her emails" are more important than diplomacy or stable competent leadership.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 10:00:03 AM »
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 10:05:52 AM »
Make the US president a thin-skinned moron because white supremacist revenge fantasies and "but her emails" are more important than diplomacy or stable competent leadership.

False assumption: That this situation would not have occurred if Hillary was in office and that the situation would not be just as tense.

North Korea would have conducted these tests regardless. The level of concern would be just as high. Not to mention at this point we might have already gotten embroiled more in Syria and be making bellicose noises towards Russia.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 10:07:06 AM »
And make the SK president a pro-China stooge who lets China and NK walk all over SK.

And make the rest of the world coddle fascist China and Russia instead of holding them accountable for  propping up North Korea.

I'm sure this will all work out well.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 10:08:48 AM »
Make the US president a thin-skinned moron because white supremacist revenge fantasies and "but her emails" are more important than diplomacy or stable competent leadership.

False assumption: That this situation would not have occurred if Hillary was in office and that the situation would not be just as tense.

North Korea would have conducted these tests regardless. The level of concern would be just as high. Not to mention at this point we might have already gotten embroiled more in Syria and be making bellicose noises towards Russia.

Daily reminder that you support Trump because you think all politics shoyld be based on racist trolling. How's that working out for you and your beloved Korea?

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 10:21:47 AM »
Daily reminder that you support Trump because you think all politics shoyld be based on racist trolling.
I nominally support Trump because domestically the Democrats are a disaster, particularly in their embrace of the SJWs. I also agree with Trump's position on Russia, Syria, NATO, immigration, some elements of his support for the police, and parts of his platform on trade. I disagree with his drug policy, his attempted repeal of Obamacare and their replacement plan, some of his personal comments (although really, who cares? Everyone is so coarse it comes across as faux outrage), and parts of his personality. He's not perfect.

You know, it would have been awfully nice if the powers that be had allowed our democratically elected president to come in and set his own national security agenda like say, acknowledging Russian primacy in Ukraine, the Crimea, and Syria in exchange for help with this nutjob in North Korea. Unfortunately forces loyal to the Clintonites and McCains have sabotaged that and made things more difficult in North Korea.

Also, I have to say, in the past few weeks your commenting has really gone astray. You used to make fairly thoughtful posts. Now it's just invective and personal insults.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 11:05:32 AM »
Yeah I'm sure starting a war with North Korea will really show those stupid SJW liberals.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2017, 12:14:56 PM »
Yeah I'm sure starting a war with North Korea will really show those stupid SJW liberals.

This seems to be what Mr Black/White above, seems to be having difficulty with.  If you have two choices and you don't agree with one (Clinton) you don't have to nominally 'support' the other.  That is either stupidity or nationalism, or both in his case.  That is what Trump is hoping for, that people will get behind him because he will 'Make America great again' which is a typically bollocks slogan.  Why bother defending the indefensible?  I suppose that is a Mr Black/White's thang though. 

Do you really think Trump's problem has been that people are blocking his own 'sane' national security agenda policy?  Or are they blocking it because it is racist, batshit crazy and on the most part totally illegal?  If he'd been allowed to set his own agenda then there would have been, amongst other things, a Muslim immigration ban except from countries including Saudi Arabia (one of the worse).  Who in their right mind would 'support' that?  The American political scene at the moment is one big shit sandwich and everyone has to take a bite.

Best way to deal with North Korea?  Let people with an inkling of diplomacy and sanity deal with it, not some stupid, narcissistic dumbass who's going against his election pledges 'US policy "intervention and chaos" must come to an end' and why people voted for him.  There is no reason to 'support' Trump when you are given two choices, that is just plain stupid.  There is nothing that Trump has done so far that makes you either a:trust him b:believe he is doing anything for the good of the American people.  End of.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2017, 02:37:23 PM »
Yeah I'm sure starting a war with North Korea will really show those stupid SJW liberals.
Those same ones failed to grasp the significance of Obama and Clinton turning their backs on Ghaddafi and its implications to every other regime around the world. And remember, the Libyans had cooperated with the U.S. in renouncing WMDs and opening up their economy.

But hey, they give a few token gestures towards SJW-friendly causes so they're fine with us. Meanwhile Trump says some things and this is somehow worse than making a complete hash of the Middle East and Russia.

Do you really think Trump's problem has been that people are blocking his own 'sane' national security agenda policy?  Or are they blocking it because it is racist, batshit crazy and on the most part totally illegal?  If he'd been allowed to set his own agenda then there would have been, amongst other things, a Muslim immigration ban except from countries including Saudi Arabia (one of the worse).  Who in their right mind would 'support' that?  The American political scene at the moment is one big shit sandwich and everyone has to take a bite.

The ban included seven countries- Iran, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Sudan, and Yemen. Not exactly the most stable countries on the planet. In fact, most of them are embroiled in conflict. Also, they are not exclusively Muslim countries, so to call the ban a "Muslim ban" is factually inaccurate. It is a ban on free travel from countries that have been destabilized by conflict and have a high likelihood of exporting terror.

Some people have foolishly and shortsightedly contended that those countries have not been responsible for terror attacks. That makes sense if you are trying to fight the previous battle and go where terrorists were, rather than where they are. The goal here is prevention. Jihadists are most highly concentrated in those conflict zones where they are fighting. Targeting those areas for travel bans makes sense.

Trump is actually showing better insight and more brains than his reflexive critics who call him "stupid", probably out of some sort of subconscious jealousy and/or cognitive dissonance.

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Best way to deal with North Korea?  Let people with an inkling of diplomacy and sanity deal with it, not some stupid, narcissistic dumbass who's going against his election pledges 'US policy "intervention and chaos" must come to an end' and why people voted for him.

You mean the same people who kicked the can down the road on North Korea and turned their backs on Ghaddafi? The ones that were also responsible for the War in Iraq? You call Trump an idiot with bad judgment, but looking at that track record.....

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There is nothing that Trump has done so far that makes you either a:trust him b:believe he is doing anything for the good of the American people.  End of.

True, but there's not much reason to discount him, especially given the incredibly poor track record of the so called "experts". The man is unconventional, and while this carries greater risk, it also offers greater reward. Whereas previous leadership might have been low risk, it was predictable and thus easy to outmaneuver.

Trump also has one key asset up his sleeve and its similar to Nixon's- His strong forceful rhetoric and his presentation of him as the "id" of the right, allows him to pursue things such as peace in ways that other, more moderate Republicans or Democrats could not do. 'Only Nixon Could Go to China'. Perhaps its a case of 'Only Trump Can Go to North Korea'. Not just on this issue, but on others, including in domestic politics. Only Trump could get the right to accept some form of national health care, for example. Nixon also was able to do things like form the EPA. In truth, Nixon was perhaps the most effective and consequential this President had between FDR and now, with only W. Bush and LBJ coming close to consequences (and not in the best of ways, although LBJ did have some good accomplishments), and perhaps only Reagan and Kennedy coming close in matching those two qualities.

Trump, like Nixon, also carries some of the greatest risk. He could suffer the same fate as Nixon. He could do something a bit off the wall like Nixon's bombing of Cambodia that really put the country on edge. But those are the risks. I do think Trump's supporters correctly ascertained that "safe mediocrity" was not cutting it, certainly not when it came to the economy. The economic malaise that has persisted since the global financial panic is unsustainable in a representative democracy. Soon people WILL resort to truly extreme measures. Clinton offered nothing when it came to that. However you were in 2016 is how you would be in 2020. For too many people that was unpalatable and so they went with the candidate who might be worse, but also was the chance of things being better. Seems like a rational decision to me.


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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2017, 03:27:43 PM »
Why does North Korea need to be "dealt with"? Have they invaded another country? Blockaded someone? Bombed civilians?

Or are they a sovereign nation improving their ability to defend themselves against rivals who constantly do all of the above?

North Korea can do whatever they want in their own country.
I agree with this. But they arent doing themselves any favours by saying they are going to fire a missile at Guam.

This could all be solved by dinner time if SK/US signed a peace treaty with the North in return for getting rid of the nukes.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2017, 03:48:12 PM »
Waiting for Trump to echo Bill Paxton's line from Independence Day: "Nuke the b@stards!".

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 04:07:24 PM »
Waiting for Trump to echo Bill Paxton's line from Independence Day: "Nuke the b@stards!".

About as straightforward an order as a president could give, were it not delivered via tweet.

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Re: Best way to deal with North Korea?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2017, 09:15:32 PM »
Waiting for Trump to echo Bill Paxton's line from Independence Day: "Nuke the b@stards!".

About as straightforward an order as a president could give, were it not delivered via tweet.

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Steelrails must be so proud of his orange messiah.

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