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Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« on: August 11, 2017, 01:46:13 AM »
http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/diversity-google-james-damore-memo/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro

The internal memo that got him fired:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

It sounds like he wanted to start a respectful discussion about the matter and Google decided to shut him down.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 05:13:42 AM »
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary people like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Edited by moderator to remove untoward slur.
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 05:53:25 AM »
Just goes to prove what he says is true. You can't even question certain left wing orthodoxies. Even expressing an opinion that there may be certain biological traits that affect choice of occupation is tantamount to misogyny, as Tawlosohu is claiming above.
Personally I like to keep an open mind. Yeah, sure he was stupid to send round an email about it if he wanted to keep his job.

On a lighter note. Media and Google - 'How dare you, James Damore, claim that women are more emotional than men?'

Spokeswoman from Google - 'Some women didn't come into work today because they were so upset about the memo.'  :smiley:
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 08:22:20 AM »
When you say such crazy things as women and men are different then you better expect to get canned .
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 09:19:35 AM »
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary gaylords like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Wow. Both a homophobic slur, and the incorrect use of "reactionary". Ironic, in that people who use homophobic slurs are, almost by definition, reactionary.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 09:53:15 AM »
I don't support google firing him for his views or even distributing them in response to a request by the company for feedback.

I do support them firing him in a cowardly move to avoid a hit to their share prices and damage to their reputation. They're a business not a religion.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 09:59:27 AM »
Counter-point:

He used work email to distribute his rantings (lord, did he try his best to make that memo look like a research paper) and publicly embarrassed his employer.  In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

But shit, at least he didn't bend his knee during the anthem at a football game, am I right?

This is it right here. At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional while men are stoic and procedural minded. He creates the definition of a hostile work environment for any women that would be working with him. Of course he was going to get fired.

Oh and Rusty, I'm guessing by your comment that you didn't read nor could you even understand what the guy wrote in his little manifesto. But hey, at least you got your opinion out there right?

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 10:10:45 AM »
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In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

No he didn't. He was talking about populations and tendencies not individuals and specifics. Your misrepresentation of what he said is half the problem. No one can have a serious conversation.
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2017, 10:17:33 AM »
Counter-point:

He used work email to distribute his rantings (lord, did he try his best to make that memo look like a research paper) and publicly embarrassed his employer.  In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

But shit, at least he didn't bend his knee during the anthem at a football game, am I right?

This is it right here. At one point the guy even says that women are prone to being neurotic and emotional while men are stoic and procedural minded. He creates the definition of a hostile work environment for any women that would be working with him. Of course he was going to get fired.

Oh and Rusty, I'm guessing by your comment that you didn't read nor could you even understand what the guy wrote in his little manifesto. But hey, at least you got your opinion out there right?

I think you guys are doing a bit of a character assassination of this guy.

Here's an interview with the guy where any idiot can see he is highly-educated, logical, rational and level-headed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1vEfqHGro

His "little manifesto" in full.

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f


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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2017, 10:59:50 AM »
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In addition, he very politely explained to his co-workers that almost half of them are genetically inferior to him.

No he didn't. He was talking about populations and tendencies not individuals and specifics. Your misrepresentation of what he said is half the problem. No one can have a serious conversation.

He even had a section dedicated to this subject.


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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2017, 11:05:44 AM »
Maybe, he can come to Korea. I hear Ilbe is hiring!

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 11:14:27 AM »
Google has become just another tool in the hands of the Washington oligarchy and is committed to the suppression of free speech.

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Google’s chief search engineer legitimizes new censorship algorithm

By Andre Damon
31 July 2017

Between April and June, Google completed a major revision of its search engine that sharply curtails public access to Internet web sites that operate independently of the corporate and state-controlled media. Since the implementation of the changes, many left wing, anti-war and progressive web sites have experienced a sharp fall in traffic generated by Google searches. The World Socialist Web Site has seen, within just one month, a 70 percent drop in traffic from Google.
In a blog post published on April 25, Ben Gomes, Google’s chief search engineer, rolled out the new censorship program in a statement bearing the Orwellian title, “Our latest quality improvements for search.” This statement has been virtually buried by the corporate media. Neither the New York Times nor the Wall Street Journal has reported the statement. The Washington Post limited its coverage of the statement to a single blog post.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/07/31/goog-j31.html
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2017, 11:17:29 AM »
I like Trump's response when he was asked about the gender pay gap:

"You're going to make the same if you do as good a job."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MioIksr8i00

Does the explanation for every gender disparity always have to be that women are oppressed?

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2017, 11:32:01 AM »
I like Trump's response when he was asked about the gender pay gap:

"You're going to make the same if you do as good a job."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MioIksr8i00

Does the explanation for every gender disparity always have to be that women are oppressed?

Yes, it does! Didn't you know that there is an unseen white male forcing every woman into making the choices they make in life?




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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2017, 12:36:05 PM »
Breitbart News has started a "Rebels of Google" series in which Google employees speak out (anonymously) about their oppressive work environment.
http://www.breitbart.com/tag/rebels-of-google/

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 02:01:05 PM »
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The firing of this man is indirectly the fault of the right wing and its philosophy. If not for at-will employment, this man would have had a better shot at keeping his job. If unions weren't as demonizied, he might have an organizaion to help him fight the dismissal. Instead, all he can do is lament over a pint and hope he is not completely blacklisted from the industry.

Actually I think he's going to sue. And if he can prove they broke employment laws he'll win.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2017, 02:46:09 PM »
Y'all want an adult conversation? Okay then.

Let's ignore the middle-school debate topic of "Women in the Workforce." I doubt any minds will be changed on that subject.

The firing of this man is indirectly the fault of the right wing and its philosophy. If not for at-will employment, this man would have had a better shot at keeping his job. If unions weren't as demonizied, he might have an organizaion to help him fight the dismissal. Instead, all he can do is lament over a pint and hope he is not completely blacklisted from the industry.

This is the corporate atmosphere you wanted, rightwingers. Remember that when it works against you.

Also, to person who called me a gaylord, come back to this thread when you finish with puberty.

Jobs such as his were never unionized. If you are a techie or a stockbroker or a lawyer, you have always played under a different set of rules than a factory worker or a teacher or a teamster.

He threatened google's brand. I may agree with him, but if I was a google shareholder I'd want his ass out and I think they should be able to.

I do think it's worrisome that what amounts to a borderline monopoly is a company that's committed to a "social diversity" view as its brand as opposed to a content neutral, wide open company, but that's google's choice and until they are broken up, it's how things are.

However, the internet is such a free marketplace that sooner or later some outfit will start that will offer the same things as google, facebook, and youtube that will be more diverse in political ideology and not weeded to a certain identity. They will rise, and google will have some level of decline. People will migrate there, that company will rise. 'googlize' itself, people will move on and that one will decline, etc. It's all a cycle.

The one area where google could be in trouble is that apparently this memo was in response to a request for company feedback. I'm not sure on the particulars of it becoming disseminated, but this could be troublesome. If the company solicited feedback from its employees, received feedback, and fired someone because of the feedback they gave, THAT is a problem.

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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2017, 02:58:38 PM »
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And while I vehemently disagree with his opinions

Did you read the whole thing, as I can't really see how anyone could 'vehemently' disagree with it? He cites sources and studies you might think are dodgy etc.. but none of this nature or nurture stuff has been proved definitively one way or another. If the science part isn't fully proven then how can you be so sure about the other stuff?
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Re: Google’s Firing of Anti-Diversity Memo Writer
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 03:07:12 PM »
Can't blame him. Google is populated by reactionary gaylords like you, Talawsohu. I'm sure his employers will get over their public embarrassment.

Wow. Both a homophobic slur, and the incorrect use of "reactionary". Ironic, in that people who use homophobic slurs are, almost by definition, reactionary.

Liberals are the new reactionaries. They are the ones opposed to true, meaningful social reform. They are the puritans of modern society. Gaylord is a playground slur, get over it.