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Re: Funniest President Ever
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 01:40:37 PM »
Steels, you forget that Team Trump had an analytics team creating and fostering the message and seeing what parts of the message resonated with different demographics.

Oh, and a lot of the American electorate are just dumb for not seeing through all the "smart" off-the-cuff talk when it's clear that he's more interested in progressing the cult following of Trump than "Making America Great Again".

But back to the topic.

SNL Donald Trump is far funnier than the tiny-hands real-life joke of a President.

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Re: Funniest President Ever
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2017, 02:14:17 PM »
Trump did have an analytics team of course, but a lot of his stuff WAS spontaneous. Do you think his analytics team is there for his 3AM tweets that sometimes work and sometimes result in a kerfluffle that they have to deal with? Did Trump follow their advice every single time? If he did this is either the most unorthodox and risk-taking analytics team in the history of analytics (an industry known for producing radicals and free-thinkers :rolleyes:) OR Trump sometimes followed their advice and many other times ignored it.

But Clinton also had an analytics team and she perhaps put too much trust in hers. She never knew when to tell them "no" and to go with her own instincts. Bill Clinton had NO analytics team, but he had a keen sense of the electorate and repeatedly warned her staff about how much trouble they were in and how they were losing the white working class vote in places like Wisconsin and Michigan. They ignored him, dismissed him, insisted on doing it their way with their voter models, and then they lost.

Of course, a blind man could have seen what was coming following the Michigan Primaries when Trump won big on his populist message and Bernie Sanders who was seen as losing by 20 points to Clinton, pulled off perhaps the biggest political shocker of the entire 2016 cycle (including Election Night). Safe states don't do things like that. Trump won state after state, with some states going to obvious candidates- Cruz getting Texas and some Christian conservative states, Kasich getting Ohio, Rubio getting Minnesota. Really the only surprises were Cruz getting Maine and Wisconsin, but they were hardly stunners. The Democratic primary on the other hand was internecine warfare. When your party goes through that and the other conservative party experiences a hostile takeover, it is not time to rely on conventional data analytics. All the data is obsolete and you are in uncharted territory. Trump recognized that, Clinton did not.

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Oh, and a lot of the American electorate are just dumb for not seeing through all the "smart" off-the-cuff talk

Salena Zito, the well respected reporter, had perhaps the keenest insight when she said "The media and those against him take Trump literally but not seriously, while his supporters take Trump seriously but not literally."

His supporters didn't take him literally. They knew it was a gamble. People who actually go into Trump country and sit down and talk to the voters know that they all have grave doubts about him and are skeptical he will be able to fulfill his promises, but it was to them, as another journalist put it, "The Flight 93 Election". A broad swath of the electorate felt that their country was disappearing. That it had been hijacked by elites and was going down. The only way for them to stop it was to grab the dinner cart of Donald Trump and try to breakdown the door. It might not work. Heck, it probably won't work, but they had to try because they felt it was their last chance. They couldn't wait for someone more polished or better schooled. This same sentiment I think did manifest itself in part in the Bernie Sanders campaign in particular his win in Michigan. Being from there, I can tell you that was a pure rage vote and the collective expression of 40 years of economic frustration. Bernie's promises in many ways are as empty as Trump's, but people felt they had to do something.

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SNL Donald Trump is far funnier than the tiny-hands real-life joke of a President.

SNL Trump IS funnier. Trump's fans think he's funny enough and he's drawing 20k to rallies.

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Re: Funniest President Ever
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 03:18:58 PM »
Trump did have an analytics team of course, but a lot of his stuff WAS spontaneous. Do you think his analytics team is there for his 3AM tweets that sometimes work and sometimes result in a kerfluffle that they have to deal with? Did Trump follow their advice every single time? If he did this is either the most unorthodox and risk-taking analytics team in the history of analytics (an industry known for producing radicals and free-thinkers :rolleyes:) OR Trump sometimes followed their advice and many other times ignored it.

But Clinton also had an analytics team and she perhaps put too much trust in hers. She never knew when to tell them "no" and to go with her own instincts. Bill Clinton had NO analytics team, but he had a keen sense of the electorate and repeatedly warned her staff about how much trouble they were in and how they were losing the white working class vote in places like Wisconsin and Michigan. They ignored him, dismissed him, insisted on doing it their way with their voter models, and then they lost.

Of course, a blind man could have seen what was coming following the Michigan Primaries when Trump won big on his populist message and Bernie Sanders who was seen as losing by 20 points to Clinton, pulled off perhaps the biggest political shocker of the entire 2016 cycle (including Election Night). Safe states don't do things like that. Trump won state after state, with some states going to obvious candidates- Cruz getting Texas and some Christian conservative states, Kasich getting Ohio, Rubio getting Minnesota. Really the only surprises were Cruz getting Maine and Wisconsin, but they were hardly stunners. The Democratic primary on the other hand was internecine warfare. When your party goes through that and the other conservative party experiences a hostile takeover, it is not time to rely on conventional data analytics. All the data is obsolete and you are in uncharted territory. Trump recognized that, Clinton did not.

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Oh, and a lot of the American electorate are just dumb for not seeing through all the "smart" off-the-cuff talk

Salena Zito, the well respected reporter, had perhaps the keenest insight when she said "The media and those against him take Trump literally but not seriously, while his supporters take Trump seriously but not literally."

His supporters didn't take him literally. They knew it was a gamble. People who actually go into Trump country and sit down and talk to the voters know that they all have grave doubts about him and are skeptical he will be able to fulfill his promises, but it was to them, as another journalist put it, "The Flight 93 Election". A broad swath of the electorate felt that their country was disappearing. That it had been hijacked by elites and was going down. The only way for them to stop it was to grab the dinner cart of Donald Trump and try to breakdown the door. It might not work. Heck, it probably won't work, but they had to try because they felt it was their last chance. They couldn't wait for someone more polished or better schooled. This same sentiment I think did manifest itself in part in the Bernie Sanders campaign in particular his win in Michigan. Being from there, I can tell you that was a pure rage vote and the collective expression of 40 years of economic frustration. Bernie's promises in many ways are as empty as Trump's, but people felt they had to do something.

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SNL Donald Trump is far funnier than the tiny-hands real-life joke of a President.

SNL Trump IS funnier. Trump's fans think he's funny enough and he's drawing 20k to rallies.

As much as I disagree with some of the other stuff you spout off about, you are absolutely right in that second paragraph.  Pretty much sums up Trump's election to a tee.