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Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« on: July 24, 2017, 03:08:23 PM »
"WASHINGTON The letters have come in to her office by the hundreds, heartfelt missives from college students, mostly men, who had been accused of rape or sexual assault. Some had lost scholarships. Some had been expelled. A mother stumbled upon her son trying to take his own life, recalled Candice E. Jackson, the top civil rights official at the Department of Education....

" 'Rather, the accusations 90 percent of them fall into the category of we were both drunk, we broke up, and six months later I found myself under a Title IX investigation because she just decided that our last sleeping together was not quite right,' Ms. Jackson said....

"Under pressure from the Obama administration, many universities overhauled their procedures for investigating sexual assault....

"The most controversial part of the 2011 guidance mandated that college officials use a 'preponderance of the evidence' standard, which makes it easier to find students responsible than a 'clear and convincing' evidence standard that some schools had been using."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/politics/campus-rape-betsy-devos-title-iv-education-trump-candice-jackson.html

The Obama administration wanted to make it easier for male students accused of rape to be convicted. A preponderance of evidence standard means that if 51% of the evidence indicates that a sexual encounter was non-consensual then the accused is guilty. But that's not the usual standard in criminal cases.


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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 02:34:24 PM »
I'd be taking a course by distance learning these days. Being a white male has become unsafe, especially after BS movies like the Hunting Ground.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 09:53:23 PM »
Malicious false accusations of rape need to be taken a lot more seriously. Women's groups will insist that prosecution of false accusers would prevent genuine victims reporting their attacker. However, it doesn't seem logical to say that an innocent man's life should be destroyed with impunity just because it might allow a guilty man to walk free.

The major long term impact on quality of life caused by rape is well reflected in criminal justice systems in America. It's about time the major long term impact on quality of life caused by false accusations is reflected too.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2017, 12:44:10 AM »
Blame it on the victim. She just didn't recognize your obvious charms.

As for devoslution:
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DeVos has been an advocate for the Detroit charter school system. Douglas N. Harris, professor of economics at Tulane University, wrote in a 2016 New York Times op-ed that DeVos was partly responsible for "what even charter advocates acknowledge is the biggest school reform disaster in the country". In the National Assessment of Educational Progress, Detroit had the lowest reading and mathematics scores "by far" over any city participating in the evaluation. According to Harris, she designed a system with no oversight in which schools that do poorly can continue to enroll students.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2017, 11:46:36 AM »
Blame it on the victim. She just didn't recognize your obvious charms.

She? The victims we're talking about here are men who were wrongly accused of rape after having consensual sex with adult women who later decided to maliciously ruin the man's life.

Of course, women can do no wrong these days. Even when they do. If feminism is all about equality, how about admitting that women can be evil just as men can be?

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 08:42:19 AM »
Good news:

"ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Thursday declared that 'the era of rule by letter' is over" as she announced plans to change the way colleges and university handle allegations of sexual violence on campus.

"She said Obama administration rules established in 2011 to guide schools as they investigate and resolve complaints of assault have failed to protect students and done a 'disservice to everyone involved.'....

"Unlike in criminal courts, where guilt must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, colleges were told to judge students based on whether it's 'more likely than not' they committed the offense....

"Dozens of students have sued schools alleging their due-process rights were violated.

"In her speech, DeVos described 'increasingly elaborate and confusing guidelines' that have harmed students on both sides of the debate. She criticized the standard of evidence and said the system has led schools to create 'kangaroo courts' overseen by campus officials who don't always have legal training."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/devos-expected-share-plans-title-ix-enforcement-074749180--politics.html


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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 10:26:03 AM »
I'd be taking a course by distance learning these days. Being a white male has become unsafe, especially after BS movies like the Hunting Ground.

Do you need a bodyguard? I can walk you to school if you want to.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 10:46:23 AM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 10:59:21 AM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

Say the men wanting to make rape on campus less risky.
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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2017, 11:07:14 AM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

Say the men wanting to make rape on campus less risky.

Is asking that due process be adhered to akin to making rape less risky?

Seems people are being unreasonable on both sides of this debate.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2017, 11:21:15 AM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

Say the men wanting to make rape on campus less risky.

Is asking that due process be adhered to akin to making rape less risky?

Seems people are being unreasonable on both sides of this debate.

Arabin doesn't believe in individualism, equality of opportunity, free speech (much like the Nazis). It's hardly surprising he/she doesn't believe in due process (much like the Nazis).
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2017, 11:55:27 AM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

Say the men wanting to make rape on campus less risky.

Is asking that due process be adhered to akin to making rape less risky?

Seems people are being unreasonable on both sides of this debate.

Arabin doesn't believe in individualism, equality of opportunity, free speech (much like the Nazis). It's hardly surprising he/she doesn't believe in due process (much like the Nazis).

Calm down Shane.  You guys are triggered so easily.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2017, 12:32:00 PM »
This is a legitimate issue as a new article in The Atlantic by Emily Yoffe details. This is closely linked to her earlier piece for Slate in which she details the problems with campus rape policies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

This clearly isn't an issue that a few MRAs and other regressive elements find a problem with. We're talking a well-regarded left of center author that has had this story published by two left-leaning and well-respected outlets.

But I guess that Yoffe, The Atlantic, and Slate now support campus rape.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 12:48:00 PM »
Reading comprehension skills, Arabin, Use 'em!  :wink:

He said "distance learning". I assume you know, or can find out, what that means. But you can't leave your snark and nastiness at home.

Say the men wanting to make rape on campus less risky.

I normally know not to respond to trolls, but it is always the same thing with this person. Nobody wants to make rape acceptable or risky. But there is no conversing with such people. Best to ignore them and let the adults speak.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 12:52:24 PM »
This is a legitimate issue as a new article in The Atlantic by Emily Yoffe details. This is closely linked to her earlier piece for Slate in which she details the problems with campus rape policies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-campus-rape-policy/538974/

This clearly isn't an issue that a few MRAs and other regressive elements find a problem with. We're talking a well-regarded left of center author that has had this story published by two left-leaning and well-respected outlets.

But I guess that Yoffe, The Atlantic, and Slate now support campus rape.  :rolleyes:

The Atlantic and Slate haven't got a record of gleefully supporting every instance of cruelty in the world because they think they're sticking it to SJWs.

The waygook alt-right bros, on the other hand.........

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2017, 01:46:40 PM »

The Atlantic and Slate haven't got a record of gleefully supporting every instance of cruelty in the world because they think they're sticking it to SJWs.

The waygook alt-right bros, on the other hand.........

So do you agree with Yoffe's point that campus rape policies are questionable at best with how they're being enforced and that there are serious due process concerns here?

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 03:10:01 PM »

The Atlantic and Slate haven't got a record of gleefully supporting every instance of cruelty in the world because they think they're sticking it to SJWs.

The waygook alt-right bros, on the other hand.........

So do you agree with Yoffe's point that campus rape policies are questionable at best with how they're being enforced and that there are serious due process concerns here?


What exactly do you think this forum is? Do you think you're laying brilliant rhetorical traps or something? Do you believe that other users are judging our conversations and scoring them? Do you think there's a prize given out at Christmas?

Why do you believe you can compel me to answer any question you want? You're not a lawyer. You're just another ESL monkey. You have no power. I can ignore your questions or maybe reply with ridiculous gifs of a monkey flinging shit.

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 03:26:53 PM »

The Atlantic and Slate haven't got a record of gleefully supporting every instance of cruelty in the world because they think they're sticking it to SJWs.

The waygook alt-right bros, on the other hand.........

So do you agree with Yoffe's point that campus rape policies are questionable at best with how they're being enforced and that there are serious due process concerns here?


What exactly do you think this forum is?

A forum for college-educated adults to discuss various things as college-educated adults.

What do you think this forum is?

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Re: Campus Rape Policies Get a New Look
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 04:04:04 PM »

The Atlantic and Slate haven't got a record of gleefully supporting every instance of cruelty in the world because they think they're sticking it to SJWs.

The waygook alt-right bros, on the other hand.........

So do you agree with Yoffe's point that campus rape policies are questionable at best with how they're being enforced and that there are serious due process concerns here?


What exactly do you think this forum is?

A forum for college-educated adults to discuss various things as college-educated adults.

What do you think this forum is?

You can't say I didn't warn you.


 

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