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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2017, 03:12:52 PM »
I'm going to join the bandwagon and sue them for selling burgers that look nothing like the glossy pictures that they have on the menu.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2017, 03:37:25 PM »
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their three-year-old daughter suffered acute hemorrhagic enteritis about two to three hours after eating a McMorning burger, the local version of the McMuffin, in May this year.

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Hemorrhagic gastroenteritis (HGE) is a disease of dogs characterized by sudden vomiting and bloody diarrhea.

i know some koreans are crazy about their little dogs but i didn't think they'd go so far as to refer to them as their daughters.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2017, 07:21:43 PM »
I have a problem with this whole thing. Here is another story with more detail:

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170705000868

According to the mother, the child ate a hamburger at a McDonald’s outlet in Gyeonggi Province in September and fell ill about three hours afterwards.

The cause of the illness is an e.coli bacteria. But could that e.coli bacteria cause diarrhea just 3 hours after ingestion? Mayo-Clinic.com says:

Signs and symptoms of E. coli O157:H7 infection typically begin three or four days after exposure to the bacteria, though you may become ill as soon as one day after to more than a week later.


From Wikipedia's article on HUS:
HUS develops about 5–10 days after onset of diarrhea, with decreased urine output (oliguria), blood in the urine (hematuria), kidney failure, thrombocytopenia (low levels of platelets) and destruction of red blood cells (microangiopathic hemolytic anemia). Hypertension is common.

and Kidney.ca:
HUS is usually diagnosed between the eighth and twelfth day of the diarrheal illness, although many children have developed HUS earlier on.

and About-hus.com:
Usually within a week (although the range can be 1-10 days) after ingesting Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, the colon becomes severely inflamed, causing diarrhea that soon becomes bloody.

There's no direct causal link between the McDonald's hamburger and the disease. It's just not possible at this stage to say what caused her illness, but I noticed that the culprit pointed to by some happens to be the one with the largest potential for a civil case.

I wonder who made that link. Was it a doctor? I have to assume that given the level of certainty attached to the claims made, that a doctor was involved in pointing to McDonalds. I can only base my opinion of the relative competency of Korean doctors on anecdotal evidence from my time here. It is not a positive opinion.

As for the source of contamination, Kidney.ca says:
This bacteria has been associated with consumption of undercooked ground beef (hence, "Hamburger Disease"), unpasteurized milk and cheese, cold cuts, hot dogs, chicken, pork, lamb, and contaminated water sources.


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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2017, 08:42:45 AM »
Getting diarrhea a few hours after consuming contaminated meat is not unheard of.

Having it be with HUS, on the other hand, is unheard of.

Most likely, the kid got sick from any number of things consumed in the recent past.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2017, 11:48:26 AM »
Another "victim" stepped forward. Kid ate a McD's hamburger at 9a.m.??? and was sick three hours later. Fortunately recovered in a few days.

My guess is that the legal firm Dewey, Cheatham and Howe has opened up a franchise on the peninsula.


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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2017, 01:53:38 PM »
Another "victim" stepped forward. Kid ate a McD's hamburger at 9a.m.??? and was sick three hours later. Fortunately recovered in a few days.

My guess is that the legal firm Dewey, Cheatham and Howe has opened up a franchise on the peninsula.

Do they even sell hamburgers from 9am? Or do they mean like a McMuffin?

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2017, 10:30:39 PM »
if mcdonalds bounces from korea cause of this, i'm going to hope for a jack in the box, hardees, or in and out burger to come to korea (if it has to be a fast food burger place).

Jack in the Crack still hasn't recovered from killing a bunch of people.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 11:30:53 PM »
Another "victim" stepped forward. Kid ate a McD's hamburger at 9a.m.??? and was sick three hours later. Fortunately recovered in a few days.

My guess is that the legal firm Dewey, Cheatham and Howe has opened up a franchise on the peninsula.

Do they even sell hamburgers from 9am? Or do they mean like a McMuffin?

Both the bulgogi and McMuffin are pork. If they both get made at some McDonalds Korea factory, there might have been some sort of cross contamination. Or maybe both were shipped in some truck or cargo ship where the refridgeration  malfunctioned.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2017, 08:36:50 AM »

I wonder who made that link. Was it a doctor? I have to assume that given the level of certainty attached to the claims made, that a doctor was involved in pointing to McDonalds. I can only base my opinion of the relative competency of Korean doctors on anecdotal evidence from my time here. It is not a positive opinion.



I'd say something similar, for the exact same reasons. That, and the mere fact that this seems to defy basic biology. Everything known about E-Coli suggests that its quite literally impossible for this story to be true. The fact that the doctor even ran with it in the first place, despite the absolute minimum incubation period for an E-coli infection being 24 hours, with 3-4 days being average is a tad concerning. Either he has made the pathological breakthrough of the century and discovered that E-coli works faster than scientists thought...or he's just been a typical Korean doctor, didn't really know what the cause was and blamed it on the first thing that sounded convincing.

With that said, how many times have we seen that with friends and loved ones here, or even ourselves? They get sick and the doctor looks at them. The doctor can't figure out whats wrong, so instead of REFERRING up to the next level such as a specialist, they make a wrong diagnosis and give a bunch of unnecessary pills that do jack-****. The patient goes back later with the same problem and the doctor is dumbfounded that their wrong diagnosis was, in fact, wrong.
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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2017, 09:50:20 AM »
To be fair, this isn't a case of the wrong diagnosis but a case of the wrong cause given. Kid has HUS and e coli. Which points to having eaten something contaminated within the last few days.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2017, 11:00:43 AM »

I wonder who made that link. Was it a doctor? I have to assume that given the level of certainty attached to the claims made, that a doctor was involved in pointing to McDonalds. I can only base my opinion of the relative competency of Korean doctors on anecdotal evidence from my time here. It is not a positive opinion.



 

I'd say something similar, for the exact same reasons. That, and the mere fact that this seems to defy basic biology. Everything known about E-Coli suggests that its quite literally impossible for this story to be true. The fact that the doctor even ran with it in the first place, despite the absolute minimum incubation period for an E-coli infection being 24 hours, with 3-4 days being average is a tad concerning. Either he has made the pathological breakthrough of the century and discovered that E-coli works faster than scientists thought...or he's just been a typical Korean doctor, didn't really know what the cause was and blamed it on the first thing that sounded convincing.

With that said, how many times have we seen that with friends and loved ones here, or even ourselves? They get sick and the doctor looks at them. The doctor can't figure out whats wrong, so instead of REFERRING up to the next level such as a specialist, they make a wrong diagnosis and give a bunch of unnecessary pills that do jack-****. The patient goes back later with the same problem and the doctor is dumbfounded that their wrong diagnosis was, in fact, wrong.

Could be a new super bug. Everything you say is based upon prior knowledge. This could be something completely new.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2017, 11:56:47 AM »

I wonder who made that link. Was it a doctor? I have to assume that given the level of certainty attached to the claims made, that a doctor was involved in pointing to McDonalds. I can only base my opinion of the relative competency of Korean doctors on anecdotal evidence from my time here. It is not a positive opinion.



 

I'd say something similar, for the exact same reasons. That, and the mere fact that this seems to defy basic biology. Everything known about E-Coli suggests that its quite literally impossible for this story to be true. The fact that the doctor even ran with it in the first place, despite the absolute minimum incubation period for an E-coli infection being 24 hours, with 3-4 days being average is a tad concerning. Either he has made the pathological breakthrough of the century and discovered that E-coli works faster than scientists thought...or he's just been a typical Korean doctor, didn't really know what the cause was and blamed it on the first thing that sounded convincing.

With that said, how many times have we seen that with friends and loved ones here, or even ourselves? They get sick and the doctor looks at them. The doctor can't figure out whats wrong, so instead of REFERRING up to the next level such as a specialist, they make a wrong diagnosis and give a bunch of unnecessary pills that do jack-****. The patient goes back later with the same problem and the doctor is dumbfounded that their wrong diagnosis was, in fact, wrong.

Could be a new super bug. Everything you say is based upon prior knowledge. This could be something completely new.

Impossible, because that's not what a superbug is. a superbug is an antibiotic resistant bacterium.
Even if it was a superbug version of E-coli, it would still need an incubation period for it to become active. Its biologically impossible for antibiotic resistance to change how fast the cells divide.
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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2017, 03:39:14 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers
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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2017, 03:42:38 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Especially given that foreign companies will almost always demand better hygiene practices than a tiny BBQ restaurant owned by a 60 year Korean woman. Or your own grandma. But you can't sue Grandma for 100 million won.

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2017, 04:58:14 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.

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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2017, 07:41:26 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.
Examples?

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2017, 07:42:46 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.
So true. Being an ethnic Korean, I remember one time at my aunt's house watching some news expose on reastaurant hygene. My aunt tells me to swtich channels, otherwise I'll never be able to eat at a restaurant ever again after seeing that stuff... lol

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2017, 07:46:40 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.
Examples?
Just watch the Korean News. Heck...
What's making front webpage news right now...
http://media.daum.net/

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2017, 10:26:30 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.
Examples?
Just watch the Korean News. Heck...
What's making front webpage news right now...
http://media.daum.net/
But that's just noise. Who's really going after those companies?

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Re: Hamburger Disease
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2017, 10:41:49 PM »
Just seems strange that this kind of thing only ever seems to get attention/happen at foreign companies.

Remember when it was Mcdonalds fault for the poor pay of part time workers

No, there's plenty of times it involves Korean companies. You just don't notice because it's background noise in Korean. Information selectivity bias.
Examples?
Just watch the Korean News. Heck...
What's making front webpage news right now...
http://media.daum.net/
But that's just noise. Who's really going after those companies?
Whenever there's another scandal. Lotte was the flavor of the month for the last half of last year.

Anther issue is that the conglomerates are pretty influencial in the media. They have bankrupted, intimidated, and threateened reporters in the recent past. So, the only time you can really nail them is when a scandal erupts, like the macadamien nut thing with Korean Air, or the SK telecom cheif getting a pardon... then reporters have a window to criticise major companies without worry of retribution.

 



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