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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #480 on: April 15, 2017, 11:04:14 AM »
No, Trump is not going to be impeached over his job performance.  Again, read about what it took to get Nixon to resign.  His diet might get him before 2020….  And, I always thought that there was a probability that he might resign after the election, but I thought that probability was highest the day after the Electoral College voted.

Also, remember President Bill Clinton?  His job approval, according to Gallup, hit lows of 39% in August and September of 1994.  Then, even with talk of impeachment he easily won a second term. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx

As I have previously said on here if a President can get 60-70% of what they want that is a victory.  If this means changing some positions and/or doing some compromising, that is all part of the game/process.  Bill Clinton and Reagan were really good at doing this.  They both made compromises but they both also kept moving their “big” agenda forward. Just as long as Trump keeps his “big” agenda moving forward, even with some change of positions and/or compromises, Trump will be alright.  The next two years will tell the story…. 

Below is an interesting article talking about Trump listening to others, making adjustments and keeping the “big” Trump picture in mind.  And, it’s even a NY Times article.  Sometimes reality forces the media to lift their blinders, just a little….Some excerpts are below:

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Focused on Trump’s Successes, Many Supporters Are Unfazed by His Reversals
By JEREMY W. PETERSAPRIL 14, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/us/politics/trump-policy-conservatives-rush-limbaugh.html?_r=1

WASHINGTON — As some on the right howled about a series of reversals by President Trump on a number of his campaign promises — conned, betrayed, sold out, they said — Rush Limbaugh asked his listeners this week whether any of that flip-flopping really mattered.

“See what Jeff Sessions is doing?” Mr. Limbaugh said of the attorney general, answering his own question: “Damn straight.”…….

The sentiment that Mr. Limbaugh was homing in on — the undented confidence that many Trump supporters have in the president as a get-things-done leader and deal maker — is the reason many conservatives say they do not think Mr. Trump will suffer much as he abandons some of his policy stances. They are not inclined to punish him, they say, even after he backed off his hard lines on NATO, the Chinese and the Export-Import Bank, and attacked Syria after having opposed such intervention.

No matter how many people try to tell them they have been played for fools, much to their annoyance, that is not a conclusion they seem likely to reach before Mr. Trump even marks his 100th day in office.

They knew all along that they were not voting for a man with concrete convictions. And they continue to see that lack of rigidity — his preference for the transactional over the dogmatic — as a quality they want in a chief executive.

So while much of the country sees the swerving on policy as another sign of White House dysfunction, many conservatives shrug it off as esoteric jockeying over foreign alliances, currency manipulation and economic policy. They are focused more, they say, on what they see as a litany of recent victories.

Illegal border crossings are down sharply, a development that Mr. Sessions promoted in a visit to Arizona this week…….

As Mr. Trump’s policy reversals and other contentious moves draw scrutiny from the news media and criticism from his political adversaries, many Trump supporters seem to be rallying around him in the face of what they see as a relentless onslaught.
“That does tend to bond them to him — every day they see him attacked,” said Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity, which is backed by the billionaire Koch brothers.

Polls have shown that Mr. Trump’s popularity has not suffered significantly because of his contradictions and backsliding.

By this point, supporters seem to be getting used to it all, forgiving of what they see as logical shifts away from more extreme positions as part of the deal-making process. The most recent surveys from Gallup showed that Mr. Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is actually rising and now stands at 87 percent.

“We’ve learned absolutely nothing about Donald Trump since he was inaugurated that wasn’t patently obvious for the last year and a half,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster. “Nothing new about his temperament, his knowledge base, his personality or his management style. Nothing.”

But when Mr. Trump is perceived as incompetent and incoherent, his image suffers far more.

Although his approval ratings have been low from the start, his popularity began a slide after the first week in March, when he insisted, without any evidence, that President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower. His numbers got worse after he failed to get through Congress his first major legislative initiative: the repeal and replacement of the Affordable Care Act.

His policies appear to have had little to do with the slide, though it probably did not help that one of them — the ban on travel from seven predominantly Muslim countries — has been tangled up and tainted by the continuing fight in the courts over its constitutionality.
But the policy reversals have left some on the right feeling betrayed, often bitterly so. The writer and pundit Ann Coulter, in a column prominently featured on the Breitbart News home page under the headline “Lassie, Come Home,” said Mr. Trump had turned his back on supporters like her who want America less engaged in conflicts overseas.

“We want the ‘president of America’ back — not ‘the president of the world,’” she wrote.
Laura Ingraham, the radio host and writer, has said she worries that Mr. Trump is drifting from the tenets of his campaign: anti-globalism, a smaller military footprint and conservative populism. But she does not sense that everyone shares her disappointment.
There are quantifiable signs of inching forward……..

                                 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #481 on: April 15, 2017, 07:08:47 PM »
No, Trump is not going to be impeached over his job performance. 

They will blame him, however, for acting on flawed information deliberately fed to him by the CIA.

Already the evidence is mounting that the Idlib gas attack was not the work of Assad.


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White House claims on Syria attack obviously false-MIT Professor

I have worked with the intelligence community in the past, and I have grave concerns about the politicization of intelligence that seems to be occurring with more frequency in recent times – but I know that the intelligence community has highly capable analysts in it. And if those analysts were properly consulted about the claims in the White House document they would have not approved the document going forward.

I am available to expand on these comments substantially. I have only had a few hours to quickly review the alleged White House intelligence report. But a quick perusal shows without a lot of analysis that this report cannot be correct, and it also appears that this report was not properly vetted by the intelligence community.

This is a very serious matter.

President Obama was initially misinformed about supposed intelligence evidence that Syria was the perpetrator of the August 21, 2013 nerve agent attack in Damascus. This is a matter of public record.

President Obama stated that his initially false understanding was that the intelligence clearly showed that Syria was the source of the nerve agent attack. This false information was corrected when the then Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, interrupted the President while he was in an intelligence briefing. According to President Obama, Mr. Clapper told the President that the intelligence that Syria was the perpetrator of the attack was “not a slamdunk.”

The question that needs to be answered by our nation is how was the president initially misled about such a profoundly important intelligence finding?

https://www.rt.com/usa/384520-postol-report-sarin-syria/


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #483 on: April 16, 2017, 08:16:33 AM »

They will blame him, however, for acting on flawed information deliberately fed to him by the CIA.

Already the evidence is mounting that the Idlib gas attack was not the work of Assad.

Hey Aurata, remember how you were saying there was no gas attack at all, like 10 minutes ago?

Slightly off topic, but I'm reminded of how right after September 11, Alex Jones and his followers claimed that virtually every Islamist terrorist attack was a false flag, staged by the globalists to lead the US into perpetual war. Then Obama got elected and all of a sudden Islamism was a real threat. Not only that, but the president was one of its chief ideologues, acting through his various affiliations to the Muslim Brotherhood, Indonesian mullahs, African factions of al-Qaeda, the Nation of Islam, whatever... All of his immigration policies were about stacking the vote for Democrats by refusing to "secure the border" (because the first thing a newly arrived illegal immigrant from Mexico does is look for a local polling booth, once they've scoured every mailbox in sight, searching for a stray voter registration form to illegally present at the election site - a totally worthwhile risk, in the sinister calculus of those living under permanent threat of deportation) and letting more Muslims into the country to help with his ultimate goal of Islamicizing the United States.


2007 - This was obviously a false flag, designed to whip up fear about a non-existent threat so that the state can penetrate deeper into the lives of American citizens.

2008 - Islamist terrorism is the number one threat facing America today, and they've even managed to put a sympathizer in the White House. If this government of limp-wristed liberals wasn't so weak, they'd use the full force of the state to protect us from this threat.



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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #484 on: April 16, 2017, 08:29:39 AM »
More evidence of how the dastardly globalists have compromised Trump, a man of previously unparalleled integrity.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-hiring-lobbyists-top-ethics-official-says-no-transparency

(Or, the most predictable thing that's happened since January 20, 2017, depending on one's vulnerability to hypnosis by inarticulate windbags)

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #485 on: April 16, 2017, 01:04:04 PM »
Hey Aurata, remember how you were saying there was no gas attack at all, like 10 minutes ago?

Well it seemed odd that they were handling "sarin" without gloves.

Certainly it would have gone against logic for Assad to use chemical weapons when a) he was winning the war and knew that such use would invite western attack b) chemical weapons were certifiably removed from the Syrian govt. only last year.

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Slightly off topic, but I'm reminded of how right after September 11, Alex Jones and his followers claimed that virtually every Islamist terrorist attack was a false flag, staged by the globalists to lead the US into perpetual war. Then Obama got elected and all of a sudden Islamism was a real threat.

agreed, they contradicted themselves here. Just like the mainstream media, they're right on some things, wrong on others.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #486 on: April 16, 2017, 01:12:32 PM »
More evidence of how the dastardly globalists have compromised Trump, a man of previously unparalleled integrity.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-hiring-lobbyists-top-ethics-official-says-no-transparency

(Or, the most predictable thing that's happened since January 20, 2017, depending on one's vulnerability to hypnosis by inarticulate windbags)

Drain the swamp? Trump's never left the swamp. He loves the swamp. The swamp helps him to continue making money.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #487 on: April 16, 2017, 07:45:06 PM »
Berkeley PUNCH landed vs "anti-fa"!  :laugh:


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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #488 on: April 16, 2017, 09:42:43 PM »
It's funny because there were plenty of masked people on both sides.  Hillary nazis are fighting Trump nazis - I'm actually enjoying this. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #489 on: April 16, 2017, 09:52:06 PM »
It's funny because there were plenty of masked people on both sides.  Hillary nazis are fighting Trump nazis - I'm actually enjoying this.

Me too, this is how I always forecasted America's future...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFKc-djl24&t=0s

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #490 on: April 16, 2017, 10:10:33 PM »
It's funny because there were plenty of masked people on both sides.  Hillary nazis are fighting Trump nazis - I'm actually enjoying this.

Did you see any masked Trump supporters? I didn't. Only on the anarchist side. (Look at who's dressed in all black if you're confused about that.) Who aren't Hillary supporters by the way. They incorrectly believe - as you do - Clinton and Trump are both bad / equally bad, when the reality is Trump is far worse for the country.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #491 on: April 16, 2017, 10:26:24 PM »
They incorrectly believe - as you do - Clinton and Trump are both bad / equally bad, when the reality is Trump is far worse for the country.

Hillary would have been worse, because like Obama, she would have tried to sweep problems under the rug, keep ignoring. The problems can't be ignored. Trump is better because his existence tells everyone in the world...
 
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY VERY WRONG WITH AMERICA.

Time for people (like you) to wake up.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #493 on: April 21, 2017, 04:50:42 PM »
Is it just me, or is there something very very wrong with Steven Mnuchin? Is he still, alive??

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #494 on: April 24, 2017, 11:47:14 PM »
IMPEACHED!!! I personally can't wait. At least Mike Pence can form an intelligent sentence and understands basic government functioning.

Reasons to impeach can be found here, plus any new ones that may will arise in the near future.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/318045-the-house-can-start-impeachment-against-trump-now

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Much of the public is eager for the impeachment of President Trump. A poll last week found that 40 percent of Americans already “support” impeaching him, and the same survey — by highly regarded Public Policy Polling — found that another 12 percent are “not sure.”

From the outset of his presidency, Trump has been violating the U.S. Constitution in a way that we have not seen before and should not tolerate. It’s time for members of Congress to get the impeachment process underway.

The Constitution states that to start impeachment proceedings, a document or “resolution calling for a committee investigation of charges against the officer in question” must be introduced in the House of Representatives. Such a move would have been appropriate from the moment that Trump became president.
As documented in depth on the ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org website — where more than 600,000 people have already signed a petition for impeachment — the president continues to violate two “emoluments” clauses in the Constitution. One prohibits any gifts or benefits from foreign governments, and the other prohibits the same from the U.S. government or any U.S. state.

To uphold the bedrock principle that no one should be above the supreme law of the land, a resolute member of the House must now take the lead in introducing a resolution to get impeachment rolling. That process is necessarily difficult — and essential.

Former White House counsel John Dean, who served President Nixon from 1970 to 1973, told The Atlantic magazine: “I don’t think Richard Nixon even comes close to the level of corruption we already know about Trump.”

Since that interview with Dean three weeks ago, we’ve been learning more about Trump’s unconstitutional corruption as president. The case that Trump is in flagrant violation of the Constitution gained added strength over the weekend when The Associated Press reported: “New documents confirm that President Donald Trump retains a direct tie to his business interests through a revocable trust now being overseen by one of his adult sons and a longtime executive of the Trump Organization.”

What’s more, AP reported, “Trump is the sole beneficiary of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, which is tied to his Social Security number as the taxpayer identification number, according to documents published online by the investigative nonprofit ProPublica. And Trump can revoke the trust, which was amended three days before his inauguration, at any time.”

Members of Congress should initiate an impeachment process because of two clear provisions in the Constitution.

The Foreign Emoluments Clause says: “[N]o Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

And the Constitution’s Domestic Emoluments Clause (also known as the Presidential Compensation Clause), which cannot be waived by Congress, says: “The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.”

In addition, a House committee’s impeachment probe should also investigate whether President Trump is violating the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act of 2012 (STOCK Act). One of the few federal ethics statutes that specifically include the president, the STOCK Act — among other provisions — prohibits the president from (1) using nonpublic information for private profit, and from (2) intentionally influencing an employment decision or practice of a private entity solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation.

A crucial test for democracy is whether people in high places can violate the law with impunity. For democracy in the United States, the biggest danger is unchecked presidential ability to violate the Constitution.

In a speech on the House floor last Thursday that spelled out some of Trump’s extreme conflicts-of-interest, Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI) closed with a cogent reference to the fact that Congress can “even explore the power of impeachment.”

Let the exploration begin.

Norman Solomon is co-founder of the activist group RootsAction.org, which has nearly 1 million supporters online. He was a Bernie Sanders delegate from California to the Democratic National Convention, where he was the leader and coordinator of the Bernie Delegates Network. RootsAction and Free Speech For People are sponsoring the grassroots impeachment campaign at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org."



https://www.impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/

And then there is the actual man running the show:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/02/06/trump-not-fully-briefed-order-elevating-bannon-security-council

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President Donald Trump reportedly did not realize he was promoting chief strategist Steve Bannon to the National Security Council (NSC) Principals Committee when he signed the executive order dropping intelligence and defense officials from the top government panel and elevating the former Breitbart News chair in their place.

The New York Times reported over the weekend that Trump had not been fully briefed on his own executive order, which became "a greater source of frustration to the president" than the protests and legal actions over his travel ban blocking immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries.

Reporters Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman depicted an administration that's just barely keeping a lid on its internal crises, turf wars, and lack of preparation—and a scheming chief strategist that's successfully taken advantage of it all.

They wrote:

[White House chief of staff Reince] Priebus told Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon that the administration needs to rethink its policy and communications operation in the wake of embarrassing revelations that key details of the orders were withheld from agencies, White House staff, and Republican congressional leaders like Speaker Paul D. Ryan.

Mr. Priebus has also created a 10-point checklist for the release of any new initiatives that includes signoff from the communications department and the White House staff secretary, Robert Porter, according to several aides familiar with the process.

Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president's dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump's anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.

Trump seemingly clarified on Twitter that he calls his own shots, "largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it." He also accused the Times of writing "total fiction" about him.

The executive order promoted Bannon, a white nationalist with no foreign policy or government experience, to a regular seat at some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government, along with other NSC meetings. Meanwhile, the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—who need to be confirmed by the Senate—were directed to only attend meetings when discussions pertain to their "responsibilities and expertise."

The memo led to speculation that the right-wing power grab in the executive branch could be setting the stage for a coup d'état.

Dude from your link.

1) why would people be eager to impeach the legally binding elected president?

2) 40 percent of Americans already “support” impeaching him.  Talk about uneducated...  Lol how the f can you have a "poll" to impeach?  Guess that 40% are all lawyers? 

Stopped reading, how can anyone have a civil conversation with these people?  Seriously just think of just these 2 opening things?  If you can't deduce why these points are wrong, I'll call you names to prove I'm right.  Lol.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #495 on: April 28, 2017, 02:12:02 AM »
1) why would people be eager to impeach the legally binding elected president?

Trump is basically a zombie owned by the deep state now.

At best, he's extremely easy to manipulate. They only had to show him pictures of crying babies and he stupidly bombed Syria without even thinking.

That is a war crime, and the deep state know they can have him impeached at any moment for it.

But so long as he keeps doing as he's told they'll keep him around.

The next plans of the globalists are to keep isolating Russian support of Assad by continuing to use false flag gas attacks in Syria. Keep ramping up pressure on Russia to dessert Assad.

Once Syria falls, Iran will be next. Ultimately Washington wants to send their paid jihadists to start wars all over China and Russia.

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #496 on: April 28, 2017, 06:50:39 AM »


At best, he's extremely easy to manipulate. They only had to show him pictures of crying babies and he stupidly bombed Syria without even thinking.

That is a war crime, and the deep state know they can have him impeached at any moment for it.


Impeach the US president over a stupid bombing?  That's a funny one. 

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #497 on: April 28, 2017, 07:34:00 AM »
I guess if Trump got impeached he could join Obama and the Clintons on the Wall Street speaking tour…..

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/27/elizabeth-warren-barack-obama-wall-street-speaking-fee-237702

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren joined liberal critics of Barack Obama’s decision to accept $400,000 from a Wall Street firm for a speech on health care.
                                     
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #498 on: April 28, 2017, 12:16:35 PM »


At best, he's extremely easy to manipulate. They only had to show him pictures of crying babies and he stupidly bombed Syria without even thinking.

That is a war crime, and the deep state know they can have him impeached at any moment for it.


Impeach the US president over a stupid bombing?  That's a funny one.

The "strupid bombing" is an international war crime. Innocent people were killed. Obviously America flouting international law is no big deal to you.

the neo-liberal establishment is very funny. they can make mountains out of molehills, spin the media to create whatever impression they want.

if they could impeach him over "contact with Russia" then they could definitely impeach over an international war crime.
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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #499 on: April 28, 2017, 01:12:36 PM »
I guess if Trump got impeached he could join Obama and the Clintons on the Wall Street speaking tour…..

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Warren: I was ‘troubled’ by Obama’s Wall Street speaking fee
By Aidan Quigley
04/27/17 04:03 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/27/elizabeth-warren-barack-obama-wall-street-speaking-fee-237702

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren joined liberal critics of Barack Obama’s decision to accept $400,000 from a Wall Street firm for a speech on health care.
                                     

Trump would first criticize Obama for taking money from Wall Street; only for Trump, himself to do the same thing after he leaves office.

Just like draining the swamp became jump right into the swamp.