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« Reply #320 on: March 17, 2017, 10:38:02 PM »

A negative income tax sounds like the just solution.  Turn the corporations back into inanimate objects as was said, applying the 14th Amendment to actual human beings, and then create a a floor people cannot go under.  If you exist as an adult, you get money to meet basic needs no matter what (since there will always be unemployment), and, if you work, you receive a much higher total.  Instead of redistributing wealth to the rich , make sure there's a humane floor.  It's a pity that Nixon's economic policies look comparatively good now.  At this point, this sort of proposal similar to one supported by the Nixon administration seems like fantasy talk.

Why do we give the private sector so much credit for innovation while demonizing government?  The government often  largely  creates the infrastructure for military related research such as that that led to the Internet, for instance, and then just gives the research away to private enterprise with very little expectation of anything in return.  The public airwaves were more or less just turned over to private enterprise free of charge.  Taxpayers pay for development of industrial development, credit for industrial development almost entirely goes to private industry, and then the government so often gets portrayed as almost totally nefarious and/or incompetent.  The government does certain things such as health care better and more efficiently.

We already redistribute money to the rich and industry.  Why not make sure people can make a decent living?

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Re: When will Trump be impeached?
« Reply #321 on: March 17, 2017, 10:57:40 PM »
That's right. Government is like a hammer. It can be used for good or for evil. Build something or hurt a person.

Incidentally, anyone else troubled by Trump's attorney general pick?



http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-sessions-vows-to-ramp-up-drug-enforcement-and-prevention-2017-3

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« Reply #322 on: March 18, 2017, 12:04:52 PM »
Unfortunately, in my opinion the chances of there ever being any real tax reform are basically non-existent.  The special interest groups across the political divide are all too dug into their own tax breaks.  Furthermore, people don’t think about what is good for the country as a whole, they think about what is good for their individual group.  People have become hyphenated-Americans, they put their group first and the country second or third.

No one talks about making a little sacrifice for the good of the country as a whole; it is all about what is good for my particular group.  And, the politicians love and use this for fund raising and campaigns.  If the politicians actually comprised and solved problems they would lose this means of making money and keeping power – e.g. if you don’t give me money and vote for me the other side will annihilate you……  Again, look at Simpson-Bowles: not a complete tax fix but a step in the right direction, and neither the Ds or Rs would support it.

Part of Trump’s winning collation included people who were protesting against the establishment Rs and Ds.  They voted for Trump not because they necessarily liked him or all of his positions, but to throw a political hand grenade into Washington D.C., because things could not get worse in DC than they already were…….
 
 
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« Reply #323 on: March 18, 2017, 12:35:34 PM »
You actually believe that?

Exaggerations, lies, and slander convinced you.

In actuality, Obama was an intelligent and dignified president for eight years, presiding over a prosperous economy.


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« Reply #324 on: March 18, 2017, 01:22:31 PM »

A negative income tax sounds like the just solution.  Turn the corporations back into inanimate objects as was said, applying the 14th Amendment to actual human beings, and then create a a floor people cannot go under.  If you exist as an adult, you get money to meet basic needs no matter what (since there will always be unemployment), and, if you work, you receive a much higher total.  Instead of redistributing wealth to the rich , make sure there's a humane floor.  It's a pity that Nixon's economic policies look comparatively good now.  At this point, this sort of proposal similar to one supported by the Nixon administration seems like fantasy talk.

Why do we give the private sector so much credit for innovation while demonizing government?  The government often  largely  creates the infrastructure for military related research such as that that led to the Internet, for instance, and then just gives the research away to private enterprise with very little expectation of anything in return.  The public airwaves were more or less just turned over to private enterprise free of charge.  Taxpayers pay for development of industrial development, credit for industrial development almost entirely goes to private industry, and then the government so often gets portrayed as almost totally nefarious and/or incompetent.  The government does certain things such as health care better and more efficiently.

We already redistribute money to the rich and industry.  Why not make sure people can make a decent living?

Besides opening China and finally ending Vietnam, Nixon did do other things besides Watergate.  Remember, at this time Nixon was Republican and the House and Senate were controlled by Democrats, but sometimes they worked together - upset special interest groups on both sides of the aisle - comprised and did get some things done.  Did each side get everything they wanted: no….And, sometimes the special interest groups prevailed, as with delaying national health care (see below).

Nixon created the EPA:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nixon-created-the-epa/67351/

Forty years ago today, Richard Nixon's Administration officially created a new entity, the Environmental Protection Agency.

1970 was a year of tremendous environmental action by Nixon and Congress. The President signed the National Environmental Policy Act on January 2nd, delivered a call to make "the 1970s a historic period when, by conscious choice, [we] transform our land into what we want it to become" in his State of the Union Address, and ended the year with the creation of an independent agency to regulate the environment.

Nixon proposed national health care, but if you notice the 1974 date of the message below, he got occupied by other thing in 1974.   

It is really worth reading his entire message on health care found at the link.  Below are just some excerpts.  Just think if this had passed back in 1974. 

http://khn.org/news/nixon-proposal/

President Richard Nixon’s Special Message to the Congress Proposing a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan
February 6, 1974

From The American Presidency Project, University of California at Santa Barbara
To the Congress of the United States:

One of the most cherished goals of our democracy is to assure every American an equal opportunity to lead a full and productive life.
 
In the last quarter century, we have made remarkable progress toward that goal, opening the doors to millions of our fellow countrymen who were seeking equal opportunities in education, jobs and voting.

Now it is time that we move forward again in still another critical area: health care.
Without adequate health care, no one can make full use of his or her talents and opportunities. It is thus just as important that economic, racial and social barriers not stand in the way of good health care as it is to eliminate those barriers to a good education and a good job.

Three years ago, I proposed a major health insurance program to the Congress, seeking to guarantee adequate financing of health care on a nationwide basis. That proposal generated widespread discussion and useful debate. But no legislation reached my desk……..

–Across the Nation, the average cost of a day of hospital care now exceeds $110.
–The average cost of delivering a baby and providing postnatal care approaches $1,000.
–The average cost of health care for terminal cancer now exceeds $20,000.

BROAD AND BALANCED PROTECTION FOR ALL AMERICANS

Upon adoption of appropriate Federal and State legislation, the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan would offer to every American the same broad and balanced health protection through one of three major programs: ………………….

…….The benefits offered by the three plans would be identical for all Americans, regardless of age or income. Benefits would be provided for:
–hospital care;
–physicians’ care in and out of the hospital;
–prescription and life-saving drugs;
–laboratory tests and X-rays;
–medical devices;
–ambulance services; and,
–other ancillary health care.

There would be no exclusions of coverage based on the nature of the illness. For example, a person with heart disease would qualify for benefits as would a person with kidney disease.       

In addition, CHIP would cover treatment for mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction, whether that treatment were provided in hospitals and physicians’ offices or in community based settings.

Under the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan, a doctor’s decisions could be based on the health care needs of his patients, not on health insurance coverage. This difference is essential for quality care.

Every American participating in the program would be insured for catastrophic illnesses that can eat away savings and plunge individuals and families into hopeless debt for years. No family would ever have annual out-of-pocket expenses for covered health services in excess of $1,500, and low-income families would face substantially smaller expenses.

As part of this program, every American who participates in the program would receive a Health-card when the plan goes into effect in his State. This card, similar to a credit card, would be honored by hospitals, nursing homes, emergency rooms, doctors, and clinics across the country. This card could also be used to identify information on blood type and .sensitivity to particular drugs-information which might be important in an emergency.

Bills for the services paid for with the Health-card would be sent to the insurance carrier who would reimburse the provider of the care for covered services, then bill the patient for his share, if any.

The entire program would become effective in 1976, assuming that the plan is promptly enacted by the Congress.
                   
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« Reply #325 on: March 18, 2017, 01:35:38 PM »
You actually believe that?

Exaggerations, lies, and slander convinced you.

In actuality, Obama was an intelligent and dignified president for eight years, presiding over a prosperous economy.



Actually, I know exactly why I and others I know supported Trump….

Yes, Obama was always upfront and honest with the American people, especially when it came to what many call his “signature” legislation.

http://www.politifact.com/obama-like-health-care-keep/

1.  President’s weekly address, June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it.  If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too.  The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

2.  Town hall in Green Bay, Wis., June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

3.  Remarks at the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009: "I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."   

4.  Remarks at a rally for New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, July 16, 2009: "if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.  Nobody is talking about taking that away from you." 
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« Reply #326 on: March 18, 2017, 02:57:06 PM »

A negative income tax sounds like the just solution.  Turn the corporations back into inanimate objects as was said, applying the 14th Amendment to actual human beings, and then create a a floor people cannot go under.  If you exist as an adult, you get money to meet basic needs no matter what (since there will always be unemployment), and, if you work, you receive a much higher total.  Instead of redistributing wealth to the rich , make sure there's a humane floor.  It's a pity that Nixon's economic policies look comparatively good now.  At this point, this sort of proposal similar to one supported by the Nixon administration seems like fantasy talk.

Why do we give the private sector so much credit for innovation while demonizing government?  The government often  largely  creates the infrastructure for military related research such as that that led to the Internet, for instance, and then just gives the research away to private enterprise with very little expectation of anything in return.  The public airwaves were more or less just turned over to private enterprise free of charge.  Taxpayers pay for development of industrial development, credit for industrial development almost entirely goes to private industry, and then the government so often gets portrayed as almost totally nefarious and/or incompetent.  The government does certain things such as health care better and more efficiently.

We already redistribute money to the rich and industry.  Why not make sure people can make a decent living?

Besides opening China and finally ending Vietnam, Nixon did do other things besides Watergate.  Remember, at this time Nixon was Republican and the House and Senate were controlled by Democrats, but sometimes they worked together - upset special interest groups on both sides of the aisle - comprised and did get some things done.  Did each side get everything they wanted: no….And, sometimes the special interest groups prevailed, as with delaying national health care (see below).

Nixon created the EPA:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/gallery-why-nixon-created-the-epa/67351/

Forty years ago today, Richard Nixon's Administration officially created a new entity, the Environmental Protection Agency.

1970 was a year of tremendous environmental action by Nixon and Congress. The President signed the National Environmental Policy Act on January 2nd, delivered a call to make "the 1970s a historic period when, by conscious choice, [we] transform our land into what we want it to become" in his State of the Union Address, and ended the year with the creation of an independent agency to regulate the environment.

Nixon proposed national health care, but if you notice the 1974 date of the message below, he got occupied by other thing in 1974.   

It is really worth reading his entire message on health care found at the link.  Below are just some excerpts.  Just think if this had passed back in 1974. 

http://khn.org/news/nixon-proposal/

President Richard Nixon’s Special Message to the Congress Proposing a Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan
February 6, 1974

From The American Presidency Project, University of California at Santa Barbara
To the Congress of the United States:

One of the most cherished goals of our democracy is to assure every American an equal opportunity to lead a full and productive life.
 
In the last quarter century, we have made remarkable progress toward that goal, opening the doors to millions of our fellow countrymen who were seeking equal opportunities in education, jobs and voting.

Now it is time that we move forward again in still another critical area: health care.
Without adequate health care, no one can make full use of his or her talents and opportunities. It is thus just as important that economic, racial and social barriers not stand in the way of good health care as it is to eliminate those barriers to a good education and a good job.

Three years ago, I proposed a major health insurance program to the Congress, seeking to guarantee adequate financing of health care on a nationwide basis. That proposal generated widespread discussion and useful debate. But no legislation reached my desk……..

–Across the Nation, the average cost of a day of hospital care now exceeds $110.
–The average cost of delivering a baby and providing postnatal care approaches $1,000.
–The average cost of health care for terminal cancer now exceeds $20,000.

BROAD AND BALANCED PROTECTION FOR ALL AMERICANS

Upon adoption of appropriate Federal and State legislation, the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan would offer to every American the same broad and balanced health protection through one of three major programs: ………………….

…….The benefits offered by the three plans would be identical for all Americans, regardless of age or income. Benefits would be provided for:
–hospital care;
–physicians’ care in and out of the hospital;
–prescription and life-saving drugs;
–laboratory tests and X-rays;
–medical devices;
–ambulance services; and,
–other ancillary health care.

There would be no exclusions of coverage based on the nature of the illness. For example, a person with heart disease would qualify for benefits as would a person with kidney disease.       

In addition, CHIP would cover treatment for mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction, whether that treatment were provided in hospitals and physicians’ offices or in community based settings.

Under the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan, a doctor’s decisions could be based on the health care needs of his patients, not on health insurance coverage. This difference is essential for quality care.

Every American participating in the program would be insured for catastrophic illnesses that can eat away savings and plunge individuals and families into hopeless debt for years. No family would ever have annual out-of-pocket expenses for covered health services in excess of $1,500, and low-income families would face substantially smaller expenses.

As part of this program, every American who participates in the program would receive a Health-card when the plan goes into effect in his State. This card, similar to a credit card, would be honored by hospitals, nursing homes, emergency rooms, doctors, and clinics across the country. This card could also be used to identify information on blood type and .sensitivity to particular drugs-information which might be important in an emergency.

Bills for the services paid for with the Health-card would be sent to the insurance carrier who would reimburse the provider of the care for covered services, then bill the patient for his share, if any.

The entire program would become effective in 1976, assuming that the plan is promptly enacted by the Congress.
                   


But I think Nixon did not care that much about domestic economic policy.  There was the famous conversation between him and JFK where Kennedy said, “It really is true that foreign affairs is the only important issue for a president to handle, isn’t it? I mean, who gives a shit if the minimum wage is $1.15 or $1.25, in comparison to something like this?”  http://radioboston.legacy.wbur.org/2013/10/09/dallek I seriously doubt that Nixon disagreed.  Presidents primarily make their names on foreign policy.  Of course, Nixon (and Kennedy) wanted the economy to perform well and avoid anything they perceived as distractions (e.g. civil rights for both of them).

Credit should be given for the opening of China and the creation of the EPA.  Regarding Vietnam, however, it seems like Nixon actually prolonged the war.  There's good evidence that he sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks in 1968 for electoral advantage. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668  Not to mention the secret bombings and war crimes he committed. 

So why mention Nixon again?  Nixon was the last American liberal President on economic policy, so it provides a nice contrast to climate on economics today.  Also, the thread is about impeachment and Nixon's foreign policy and actions against domestic opposition show how ill-defined grounds for impeachment are.  Nixon got away with war crimes, avoided criminal prosecution, and would have been impeached and convicted for something relatively insignificant compared to his other activities if he had stayed in office. 

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« Reply #327 on: March 20, 2017, 03:50:30 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

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« Reply #328 on: March 20, 2017, 05:10:09 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

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« Reply #329 on: March 20, 2017, 05:15:33 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

Let’s see how this "great" leader and her party do in the next election without moving more to the right.  What’s her new policy on migrants?  Or, is she still maintaining the same policy she had in 2015-2016?

Also, why doesn’t Merkel propose having all foreign troops leave German soil?  Surely, such a great leader does not require foreign troops to defend the country she leads….Or, do we really have to worry that without US being there that Germany would replay January 1933?

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   Germany's Merkel faces harsh new reality in the era of Trump

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/26/germanys-merkel-faces-harsh-new-reality-in-era-trump.html

By Adam Shaw
Published January 26, 2017
FoxNews.com
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.....But Merkel's political fortunes have deteriorated. Her ill-fated 2015 decision to open the doors to millions of Syrian refugees fueled a continent-wide crisis, leading in part to the U.K.’s decision to leave the European Union....

After her party was hammered in local elections and her poll numbers slumped ahead of federal elections this year, Merkel has started to distance herself from her refugee policy. As Merkel struggles to keep her grip on power in Germany, and keep the increasingly unstable European Union together, the German chancellor now faces another challenge in Trump – who has made no secret of his distaste for her policies....
   
  Merkel’s refugee policy blamed for loss on her home turf     

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkels-refugee-policy-blamed-for-loss-on-her-home-turf/2016/09/05/df887274-87b7-443d-a2ee-fc9d8965a63b_story.html?utm_term=.165382205456

By Anthony Faiola By Anthony Faiola
Europe
September 5, 2016

BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union suffered an embarrassing drubbing in her own constituency on Sunday, with voters in local parliamentary elections kicking the party into third place while giving a boost to her new nemesis: the anti-migrant Alternative for Germany party….

In the vote, the center-left Social Democratic Party came in first with 30.6 percent, followed by the AfD with 20.8 percent. Merkel’s CDU came in third with 19 percent — its worst showing ever in the state......

In the aftermath of the loss, top CDU officials openly blamed Merkel’s refugee policy…..
             
     


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« Reply #330 on: March 20, 2017, 05:29:33 PM »
And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

Proportional representation vs electoral college voting?  Democratically elected vs Undemocratically elected?

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« Reply #331 on: March 20, 2017, 05:33:11 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

Let’s see how this "great" leader and her party do in the next election without moving more to the right.  What’s her new policy on migrants?  Or, is she still maintaining the same policy she had in 2015-2016?

Also, why doesn’t Merkel propose having all foreign troops leave German soil?  Surely, such a great leader does not require foreign troops to defend the country she leads….Or, do we really have to worry that without US being there that Germany would replay January 1933?

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   Germany's Merkel faces harsh new reality in the era of Trump

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/26/germanys-merkel-faces-harsh-new-reality-in-era-trump.html

By Adam Shaw
Published January 26, 2017
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.....But Merkel's political fortunes have deteriorated. Her ill-fated 2015 decision to open the doors to millions of Syrian refugees fueled a continent-wide crisis, leading in part to the U.K.’s decision to leave the European Union....

After her party was hammered in local elections and her poll numbers slumped ahead of federal elections this year, Merkel has started to distance herself from her refugee policy. As Merkel struggles to keep her grip on power in Germany, and keep the increasingly unstable European Union together, the German chancellor now faces another challenge in Trump – who has made no secret of his distaste for her policies....
   
  Merkel’s refugee policy blamed for loss on her home turf     

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkels-refugee-policy-blamed-for-loss-on-her-home-turf/2016/09/05/df887274-87b7-443d-a2ee-fc9d8965a63b_story.html?utm_term=.165382205456

By Anthony Faiola By Anthony Faiola
Europe
September 5, 2016

BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union suffered an embarrassing drubbing in her own constituency on Sunday, with voters in local parliamentary elections kicking the party into third place while giving a boost to her new nemesis: the anti-migrant Alternative for Germany party….

In the vote, the center-left Social Democratic Party came in first with 30.6 percent, followed by the AfD with 20.8 percent. Merkel’s CDU came in third with 19 percent — its worst showing ever in the state......

In the aftermath of the loss, top CDU officials openly blamed Merkel’s refugee policy…..
             
     

German's can actually 'protest vote' with their voting system.  It sends messages.  One good reason for PR.

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« Reply #332 on: March 20, 2017, 05:35:16 PM »
And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

Proportional representation vs electoral college voting?  Democratically elected vs Undemocratically elected?

I understand proportional representation, but she is currently polling behind Martin Schulz. Obviously people aren't that thrilled with her.

And Trump was democratically elected by the rules. Hillary ran to be popular. Trump ran to win.

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« Reply #333 on: March 20, 2017, 06:36:00 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

She's been chancellor for 12 years. Most leaders would struggle to have overwhelming support after three terms.

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« Reply #334 on: March 21, 2017, 03:46:17 AM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

She's been chancellor for 12 years. Most leaders would struggle to have overwhelming support after three terms.

In other words it took 12 years to realize she was shoveling horse manure.

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« Reply #335 on: March 21, 2017, 06:38:25 AM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

She's been chancellor for 12 years. Most leaders would struggle to have overwhelming support after three terms.

In other words it took 12 years to realize she was shoveling horse manure.

Unlike Trump whose current approval rating stands at 37% after only about 2 months.

There are some that say Merkel has assumed the role as leader of  the "free world" given the vacuum in Washington at present.

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« Reply #336 on: March 23, 2017, 10:05:56 AM »
What a truly loveable family.

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Donald Trump Jr is facing a backlash for criticizing London mayor Sadiq Khan with a scornful tweet sent hours after an attack at the Houses of Parliament left four dead, including a police officer.

The US president’s eldest son tweeted a link to a September 2016 story in the Independent, which quoted Khan saying terror attacks were “part and parcel of living in a big city”, and “I want to be reassured that every single agency and individual involved in protecting our city has the resources and expertise they need to respond in the event that London is attacked.”

“You have to be kidding me?!” Trump Jr tweeted, quoting the headline: “Terror attacks are part of living in big city, says London Mayor Sadiq Khan”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/donald-trump-jr-tweet-london-mayor-sadiq-khan

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« Reply #337 on: March 23, 2017, 12:39:17 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

She's been chancellor for 12 years. Most leaders would struggle to have overwhelming support after three terms.

In other words it took 12 years to realize she was shoveling horse manure.

Unlike Trump whose current approval rating stands at 37% after only about 2 months.

There are some that say Merkel has assumed the role as leader of  the "free world" given the vacuum in Washington at present.

Yeah thats what Brits, Americans, Canadians, Japanese, anf Australians are asking- "What's Merkel's plan. She's the leader."

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« Reply #338 on: March 23, 2017, 12:52:15 PM »


What a meeting.  One, a dignified stateswoman who's worked her way up to the top and always holds herself with dignity and listens to others.  The other is a narcissistic reality tv celebrity and 'failed' businessman, born into money, who likes nothing better than to always start fights and tell people what's on his stupid mind with twitter.  What an embarrassing mismatch.

And yet she can't pull above around 33% in her country, for all her 'dignity'.

She's been chancellor for 12 years. Most leaders would struggle to have overwhelming support after three terms.

In other words it took 12 years to realize she was shoveling horse manure.
Maybe. But she must have been doing something right to win 3 successive terms.

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« Reply #339 on: March 23, 2017, 05:21:46 PM »
Merkel has assumed the role as leader of  the "free world"

Free world? Lol. Germany is a vassal state of Washington.

The US gets to occupy their country with multiple military bases as well as dictate their foreign policy.
America gets to bomb all kinds of muslim countries and Germany must destroy its society by taking in all the resulting refugees.

What interest does Germany have in moving toward military confrontation with Russia? None. Yet that is the direction Washington is forcing them.

Germany became a vassal at the end of WWII:

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Publication of a book like The German card. The obscure game of secret services, authored by Gerd-Helmut Komossa (Gerd-Helmut Komossa. DIE DEUTSCHE KARTE. Das verdeckte Spiel der geheimen Dienste. Ares-Verlag, Graz 2007. - 230 S.), is an exceptional occurrence. Raising very sensitive issues, the author appeals to the core of German identity that had been deliberately suppressed for decades by the United States and its allies. The book is focused on contradictions between the United States and Germany, sometimes very strong but not supposed to be discussed in public. It was published in Austria, and its distribution in Germany may encounter certain difficulties today. Still, the very fact of its appearance indicates that the German intelligence community is increasingly dissatisfied with the role of a vassal of the United States (the definition applied to Europe by Zbigniew Brzezinski), imposed on Western Germany after World War II. Gerd-Helmut Komossa reveals the uncomfortable truth about the post-war conditions, dictated by the US and its allies. The state treaty, dated May 21, 1949 and classified by BND as top secret, suggests restrictions of state sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Germany, introduced for a period until 2099. These restrictions include the provision that the winning coalition exercise complete control over Germany's mass media and communications; that every Federal Chancellor is to sign the so-called Chancellor Act; that the gold reserve of Germany is kept under arrest. In fact, all the German Chancellors, including the incumbent Chancellor Angela Merkel, pay their first foreign visit necessarily to the United States. The whole spectrum of German political parties is supervised by a special Washington-based controlling body, while local US-licensed media serve as a more sophisticated means of brainwashing than the Nazi propagandist machine. Meanwhile, Germany's territory is still occupied by US troops. This astonishing picture is not a fancy concoction of a political leftist. It is drawn by a military man whose mind has accumulated the experience of several crucial stages of development of the European civilization and Germany in particular. Gen. (Ret.) Gerd-Helmut Komossa took part in World War II and later in the Cold War. Possessing huge amounts of information, he analyzes the existing mechanisms of global policy with strong criticism. Joining the Wehrmacht in 1943 as a volunteer, Komossa served at the Eastern front. Between May 1945 and April 1949, he was a prisoner of war. In the USSR, he got acquainted with many Russians who appeared to be quite different from the image imposed by the official Nazi propaganda. Since 1956, he served in the German Bundeswehr, re-established under certain conditions. The abovementioned secret treaty admitted that the German sovereignty is sufficient for the right to build up military forces. According to the Constitution, the troops of the Federal Republic of Germany are carrying put exceptionally defensive functions. However, the Western coalition was pursuing different goals. It needed an army in new uniforms but with the same skills as the Nazi soldiers, perfectly fighting on land, on sea and in the air, and irrecusably abiding orders. Such a type of soldier was essential not only for the occasion of possible military collision with the Soviet bloc but also for fulfilling global missions. The coalition required at least 500,000 German soldiers. In addition, the newly-built army was supposed to purchase weapons and materiel solely from the United States. During the last two decades, Washington has been trying to force Germany into military partnership in globalistic control. However, the massive effort to get Germany involved in US operations in Somali and Bosnia, as well as in campaigns in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan, has brought about a reverse result, sparking a shift in approach in German strategic circles. The implicit discontent with American policy and essential difference in views on the role of the German people in current history eventually reached a critical dimension. Since mid-1990s, the attitude of many German military to the United States, and significantly also towards NATO, has essentially changed. Though most of the German officers were not originally inclined against America, a lot of them being educated in the United States, they are now experiencing disappointment and even disgust with Washington's policies. These officers realize that the hegemonistic policy is destined for destruction of socioeconomic systems of particular nations and whole regions, while the so-called order Washington is trying to impose is just a synonym for chaos. Gerd-Helmut Komossa, in his former capacity of MAD (Military Counterintelligence) Director, was frequently called "a soldier with political thinking". Today, he openly denounces the Bundeswehr's involvement in foreign interventions, referring to the army's constitutional duties. Meanwhile, Washington urges Germans to go fighting. Conceding to the pressure, Berlin deployed a contingent of troops to Afghanistan. But even this was not sufficient for NATO bosses. Recently, NATO General Secretary Jaap de Hoop Scheffer accused the Bundeswehr of idleness in military operations in the region, and insisted that Germany "increase flexibility" and expand its military mission to the southern regions of Afghanistan. In his book, Komossa inquires whether the state of affairs when young Germans are recruited in the national army for fulfilling overseas goals for other nations, could be acceptable. The map of operations, supposed to involve German troops, far exceeds the European continent, and has nothing to do with German national interests. "Do Germans expect this from the Bundeswehr? Would they like their soldiers to be called assassins again?" he asks. However, the United States and its allies don't care much for moral problems. As the secret treaty is valid until 2099, Germans are supposed to go and fight where they are told to. The German audience will require certain time to digest the shocking information disclosed by General Komossa. But eventually, the nation with a great cultural and historical tradition will hardly agree to continue tolerating the American loop on its throat for decades more. The publication of Komossa's "German Card" is one more proof of the world's transformation into a multipolar system. It indicates that Germany is likely to achieve complete sovereignty without waiting for eighty years.

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