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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2017, 07:21:15 PM »

You can claim Hispanic is not a race all you want. It's doesn't change anything. as far as the FBI labeling them, you better go back and check your link! I don't need a counter source, just look at your link!

see attached picture.

Does it account for population sizes? What? No? Then the raw numbers mean absolutely nothing if being used the way you are portraying them.

BJS collects, analyzes, and disseminates reliable and valid statistics on crime and justice systems in the United States, supports improvements to state and local criminal justice information systems, and participates with national and international organizations to develop and recommend national standards for justice statistics. - of course it accounts for population size  :laugh:

Who do you think is making these statements...Seoul Cruiser??  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You did highlight something useful for a change, that is the data on urban blacks and whites which this whole argument boils down to. The justice system doesn't suffer from racism, it's the urban areas suffer from poor culture.
Here is a list of the 10 most dangerous cities in the United States
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45eldkd/no-9-stockton-calif/
I'll give you three guess as to what they all have in common but, I'm sure you will only need one though.
I like your proposal on how to fix it though!

yeah...about that - https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

„ Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).

rural and urban places today have similar rates of substance use and abuse, and, for abuse of some substances, rural Americans are at an even higher risk than their urban counterparts. - http://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=carsey

Wait...it gets juicier!

In urban counties...Formality is associated with greater severity in pre-trial detention and sentencing practices. By contrast, in more homogeneous and stable rural counties, juvenile courts are procedurally less formal and sentence youths more leniently.

The urban courts sentenced youths charged with similar offenses more severely than did the suburban or rural courts. The pattern of urban severity remained even after controlling for the present offense and prior record
- PRECISELY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING...and exactly what happened with the guys that raped the disabled team mate.

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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2017, 10:57:57 PM »

You can claim Hispanic is not a race all you want. It's doesn't change anything. as far as the FBI labeling them, you better go back and check your link! I don't need a counter source, just look at your link!

see attached picture.   

Does it account for population sizes? What? No? Then the raw numbers mean absolutely nothing if being used the way you are portraying them.

BJS collects, analyzes, and disseminates reliable and valid statistics on crime and justice systems in the United States, supports improvements to state and local criminal justice information systems, and participates with national and international organizations to develop and recommend national standards for justice statistics. - of course it accounts for population size  :laugh:
So, the FBI data you keep quoting adjusts for population size? Your proof of that is by linking to a completely different organization? Seriously? To top it off, the link is to an abstract only which focuses on victimization. Seriously? 
Who do you think is making these statements...Seoul Cruiser??  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You did highlight something useful for a change, that is the data on urban blacks and whites which this whole argument boils down to. The justice system doesn't suffer from racism, it's the urban areas suffer from poor culture.
Here is a list of the 10 most dangerous cities in the United States
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45eldkd/no-9-stockton-calif/
I'll give you three guess as to what they all have in common but, I'm sure you will only need one though.
I like your proposal on how to fix it though!

yeah...about that - https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf

Ą Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).

rural and urban places today have similar rates of substance use and abuse, and, for abuse of some substances, rural Americans are at an even higher risk than their urban counterparts. - http://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=carsey
and what does any of that have to do with violent crimes, unless drug abuse is now falls under the category of 'violent crime'?
Wait...it gets juicier!

In urban counties...Formality is associated with greater severity in pre-trial detention and sentencing practices. By contrast, in more homogeneous and stable rural counties, juvenile courts are procedurally less formal and sentence youths more leniently.

The urban courts sentenced youths charged with similar offenses more severely than did the suburban or rural courts. The pattern of urban severity remained even after controlling for the present offense and prior record
- PRECISELY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING...and exactly what happened with the guys that raped the disabled team mate. Dafaq you talking about?

You are all over the place, you can't even stay on the topic being debated. Are you ok? Seriously, are you? Have fun living in your fantasy world. Desk warming days are done, the next three weeks are vacation! Laters...........
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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2017, 09:32:02 AM »
I have quoted both the FBI and Bureau of journal Statistics.

It is clear that the Bureau of Journal statistics categorically said black and white Americans of similar socioeconomic status have similar crime rates.

I have never once said the FBI made that statement...in fact, the link is right there above your commentary! I have however, said that FBI statistics show black men NOT commit anywhere near half of violent crimes in the country - which is correct and in direct contradiction to the multiple nonsensical and unsubstantiated claims you have made about black crime rates.

Your attempts at diversion are so childish and amateurish, it makes me wonder if you even have the calibre to adequately refute the findings in any meaningful manner.

Violent crimes make up the minority of convictions and incarcerations in the US...drug crimes make up the overwhelming majority. Despite the fact that black and white Americans do drugs at similar rates, BLACK AMERICANS ARE PUNISHED MORE.

As for the paper on sentencing disparities in rural and urban areas...the summary is pretty self-explanatory - unless some people are actively trying to play dumb by claiming they cannot comprehend the idea that white Americans are treated far more leniently by the criminal justice system.

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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2017, 11:53:24 AM »
waygo0k's claims are easily refuted. The 19.5% discrepancy in sentencing is due to differences in arrest records between whites and blacks. If you have a long arrest record then the judge can take that into consideration in determining your punishment. Only 12% of blacks behind bars are there due to drug related offenses. Most of them are there for committing violent crimes. 40% of those arrested for violent crimes are black, but only 13% of the population is black. According to a national victimization survey, 40% of victims reported that their attacker was black. So blacks are arrested in proportion to the amount of violent crime they commit. Where's the racial bias?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNEXDCK9R8

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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2017, 12:10:58 PM »
waygo0k's claims are easily refuted. The 19.5% discrepancy in sentencing is due to differences in arrest records between whites and blacks. If you have a long arrest record then the judge can take that into consideration in determining your punishment. Only 12% of blacks behind bars are there due to drug related offenses. Most of them are there for committing violent crimes. 40% of those arrested for violent crimes are black, but only 13% of the population is black. According to a national victimization survey, 40% of victims reported that their attacker was black. So blacks are arrested in proportion to the amount of violent crime they commit. Where's the racial bias?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNEXDCK9R8

Good question - Where's the racial bias? Just grab the Liberal playbook and they'll show you how to omit any such facts/stats/common sense to make said racial bias fit the dam narrative. It's truly become fascinating to watch.
Where's the racial bias? Shut your whitesplaining mouth up, basically.
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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2017, 12:12:29 PM »
waygo0k's claims are easily refuted. The 19.5% discrepancy in sentencing is due to differences in arrest records between whites and blacks. If you have a long arrest record then the judge can take that into consideration in determining your punishment. Only 12% of blacks behind bars are there due to drug related offenses. Most of them are there for committing violent crimes. 40% of those arrested for violent crimes are black, but only 13% of the population is black. According to a national victimization survey, 40% of victims reported that their attacker was black. So blacks are arrested in proportion to the amount of violent crime they commit. Where's the racial bias?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNEXDCK9R8




Now if only we could end this thread on this note instead of more of waygooks obfuscating .
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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2017, 12:28:44 PM »
waygo0k's claims are easily refuted. The 19.5% discrepancy in sentencing is due to differences in arrest records between whites and blacks. If you have a long arrest record then the judge can take that into consideration in determining your punishment. Only 12% of blacks behind bars are there due to drug related offenses. Most of them are there for committing violent crimes. 40% of those arrested for violent crimes are black, but only 13% of the population is black. According to a national victimization survey, 40% of victims reported that their attacker was black. So blacks are arrested in proportion to the amount of violent crime they commit. Where's the racial bias?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRNEXDCK9R8

Reading comprehension obviously is not your strong point.

The urban courts sentenced youths charged with similar offenses more severely than did the suburban or rural courts. The pattern of urban severity remained even after controlling for the present offense and prior record

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6696&context=jclc

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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2017, 01:56:39 PM »
If you come from a culture that has this attitude towards authority, you can be darn sure you are more likely to get a more severe sentence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQXmnMr_w8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws

Totally peaceful protesters chanting for "dead cops".   
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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2017, 02:40:25 PM »
Yeah...I mean, god forbid being treated equally under the law.

It must be so reassuring knowing that the media, police, judges and prosecutors are willing to understand your unique and special situation, and will make exceptions for "youthful exuberance" because kids will be kids.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-jail/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/football-player-hanger-assault-avoid-prison_us_585ac1d0e4b0eb586484dd02

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/11_moronic_reasons_white_people_have_rioted_partner/
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« Reply #89 on: January 12, 2017, 04:32:22 PM »
Yeah...I mean, god forbid being treated equally under the law.

It must be so reassuring knowing that the media, police, judges and prosecutors are willing to understand your unique and special situation, and will make exceptions for "youthful exuberance" because kids will be kids.


http://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/11_moronic_reasons_white_people_have_rioted_partner/

 :laugh: The vast majority of those were street parties after sporting events that got rowdy.

Check out the Huntington Beach Riot for example....Looks scary  :rolleyes:
Horrible Huntington Beach protest 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReKLYzAsADc

Huntington Beach Riot on Main Street - US Open of Surfing 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP-CZpJuC4E

During the day 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trMG7Gn9Q6Q

I'm sure people were quaking in fear.
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Re: Hate crime against special needs teen broadcast live on Facebook
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2017, 04:45:43 PM »
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The vast majority of those were street parties after sporting events that got rowdy.

Jolly you're right!

Just a bunch of rambunctious drunk teenagers burning cars, breaking into businesses, damaging public property and generally terrifying the neighbourhoods! All over life and death issues such as sports!

Wait a minute...did you say 2013?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nothing to worry about here...kids will be kids...move along! At least they're not a few shades darker, in a much poor neighbourhood rife with the "right" kind of stereotypes, that would make their actions ten times worse!
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« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2017, 05:21:11 PM »
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The vast majority of those were street parties after sporting events that got rowdy.

Jolly you're right!

Just a bunch of rambunctious drunk teenagers burning cars, breaking into businesses, damaging public property and generally terrifying the neighbourhoods! All over life and death issues such as sports!

Wait a minute...did you say 2013?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nothing to worry about here...kids will be kids...move along! At least they're not a few shades darker, in a much poor neighbourhood rife with the "right" kind of stereotypes, that would make their actions ten times worse!

There is a reason a post-victory sports riot is viewed differently than a political civil disturbance, for both good and bad, and it's not all race.

If you get a bunch of diverse 20 somethings of all races "rioting" over Clemson winning by burning some sofas, tipping a few cars, and maybe looting a CVS, people understand this is a one-night outbreak of alcohol-fueled stupidity. It's not something that could expand, persist, and result in things like the National Guard getting called in. You probably won't get a Reginald Denny over a post-victory riot. Note: European soccer riots are another matter.

On the other hand, at least people rioting over cop shootings or whatever are rioting over something. While a sports riot is more "innocent" it is also more pointless and empty. No one should ever riot over a sports event. Cop shooting looters should get beat until the riot ends, but not arrested. Sports rioters should go to jail and get charges. Or maybe it should be the other way around, I'm not sure.

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« Reply #92 on: January 12, 2017, 06:14:38 PM »
The difference is that people are willing to understand the dynamics behind a sports riot.

But when brewing grievances over something like an unfair criminal justice system boils over, that will disappears and it becomes an indication of a representation of a race of people or how destructive their culture is.

When Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice were killed, fingers were pointed at their families and their "culture", sometimes by the prosecutor meant to charge their killers.

When Dylan Roof killed 9 people, the judge went as far as asking people to understand the killer's family's situation and offer them support. There wasn't a public condemnation of "white culture".

You're right that it's not always black and white...but it's plenty enough, and the double standards are clear for all to see.

It's even evident here in this very thread with two very similar cases and the selective outrage that is being displayed for one of the two.

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« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2017, 11:52:34 AM »
The difference is that people are willing to understand the dynamics behind a sports riot.

But when brewing grievances over something like an unfair criminal justice system boils over, that will disappears and it becomes an indication of a representation of a race of people or how destructive their culture is.

When Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Tamir Rice were killed, fingers were pointed at their families and their "culture", sometimes by the prosecutor meant to charge their killers.

When Dylan Roof killed 9 people, the judge went as far as asking people to understand the killer's family's situation and offer them support. There wasn't a public condemnation of "white culture".

You're right that it's not always black and white...but it's plenty enough, and the double standards are clear for all to see.

It's even evident here in this very thread with two very similar cases and the selective outrage that is being displayed for one of the two.


Yes  they still are pointing at their families and culture and criminal and personal history.   You wrote that sentence like someone should feel guilty.   

Are you saying that Dylan roof represents white culture?  He was mentally ill and yes maybe got his ideas from a subculture hiding in caves and basements despised as well as ww2 history.    He is not a part of anything that can have its own television station and industry or would share a live racist beating on Facebook.


Also I don't think people in a sports riot are backed by a black industry looking for handouts in legislation and positions in political office
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« Reply #94 on: January 13, 2017, 01:07:42 PM »
And the lazy stereotypes/excuses keep rolling in!

"You wrote that sentence like someone should feel guilty"...no, I wrote that sentence in the hope that certain people pull their heads out of their arses and pay attention to the glaring double standards they continue to portray.

It's funny how Dylan Roof is "a mentally handicapped individual that doesn't represent white culture"...and John R K Howard is also "not a representation of white culture, but a kid that deserves a second chance" after forcibly raping a mentally disabled classmate with a hanger.

But the teens that attacked their classmate, "are thugs that represent an industry (gee, I wonder which!) looking for handouts, which also incidentally shared live bearings on Facebook!"

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« Reply #95 on: January 13, 2017, 02:26:51 PM »
The disturbing pattern continues:

"Early Friday morning, two African-American men sexually assaulted the woman outside the shopping center. Police say the victim, who is white, didnít know the attackers. During the assault, the men yelled racial slurs at the woman before fleeing the scene."
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/01/09/bias-related-assault-aurora-shopping-center/

Hopefully, Trump will be as tough on crime as his campaign rhetoric would lead one believe.

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« Reply #96 on: January 13, 2017, 02:35:03 PM »
It's funny how Dylan Roof is "a mentally handicapped individual that doesn't represent white culture"...and John R K Howard is also "not a representation of white culture, but a kid that deserves a second chance" after forcibly raping a mentally disabled classmate with a hanger.

But the teens that attacked their classmate, "are thugs that represent an industry (gee, I wonder which!) looking for handouts, which also incidentally shared live bearings on Facebook!"

What in the **** are you on about?

Dylan Roof was given the death sentence on Tuesday. What do you expect, to have him flayed in public prior to the lethal drugs?

Ofc, I'm sure you will have ten more examples that you expect no one to fact check.

But dear god. Get some help man.

First google link;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/dylann-roof-sentenced-to-death-charleston-church-shooting

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« Reply #97 on: January 13, 2017, 03:08:34 PM »
Reading comprehension problems again.

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It's funny how Dylan Roof is "a mentally handicapped individual that doesn't represent white culture"

Notice how white culture isn't seen as a culprit in the case of Dylan Roof...whereas the entire black population, and BLM are expected to answer for the actions of a few individuals.

Learn to read before you tell us how "outraged" you are that someone is pointing this double standard out.

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« Reply #98 on: January 13, 2017, 03:54:47 PM »
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The vast majority of those were street parties after sporting events that got rowdy.

Jolly you're right!

Just a bunch of rambunctious drunk teenagers burning cars, breaking into businesses, damaging public property and generally terrifying the neighbourhoods! All over life and death issues such as sports!

Wait a minute...did you say 2013?  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nothing to worry about here...kids will be kids...move along! At least they're not a few shades darker, in a much poor neighbourhood rife with the "right" kind of stereotypes, that would make their actions ten times worse!

 :laugh: I'll give you the burning cars (although it looks more like a marshmallow roast than a full riot), but those guys breaking into the store are definitely 'off white' (guilty by association?) and that guy "terrifying neighborhoods" is some economics student posing for a facebook picture (look at the people in the background....terrified!!).

I don't know what the video was you posted; some shaky cam of people standing around with their phones out and someone throwing paper into the air. Like I said before, those examples from the article barely scrape in as riots. At least give me some proper white people rioting
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« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2017, 04:08:18 PM »
People need to stop responding to waygo0k.

I've wasted time conversing with him on this forum and these are some of his beliefs:

*Murder is statistically irrelevant

*Police shootings that make up a tiny percentage of murder are hugely important

*People don't have to show police their ID, even when the cops were called on these people, even when these people are former felons

*People can simply walk away from police, even when police were called because that person was breaking the law

*Police are more likely to shoot white suspects but more likely to touch non-white suspects, therefore police are racist against non-whites

*Statistics are racist (unless they support his view of the world)

*Adjusting for population size is a racist tactic (unless he is using it to argue his point)

*Not adjusting for population size is a racist tactic (unless he is not adjusting for population size to argue his point)

*HuffingtonPost opinion pieces are credible sources (if they support his beliefs)

*Awarding winning Harvard economic professors are not credible due to racism, even when they are black (if they aren't supporting his beliefs)

*Former felons that have police called on them for appearing to break into a house should be allowed to not show ID, yell at police, make a phone call for back up after screaming "I'm not afraid to go to prison!", and wrestle with police.

*Someone feeling like they are being profiled for being a young black male is the worst thing that could ever happen to anybody and completely unjustified because young black males are just being framed by police for all the crimes they commit. Young white males are just as violent but police are simply ignoring the murders, robberies, and rapes they are committing because racism.

*Statistics that can't be refuted with math are simply racist and come from racist sources, therefore the statistics are null and void and whoever cited them is a white supremacist

*Any source that doesn't confirm white racism is indeed a white supremacist source

*Most everything is white supremacist

*Police are both over-policing and under-policing black neighborhoods

*white americans have a culture of racism that makes them racist

*black american culture has no effect on black americans

*Personal responsibility is a racist idea

Seriously, don't even start with this wacko. I saw this thread title and knew he would be in here spewing a bunch of hate against white people. He has a problem with whites. He just does.

There are a lot of people like him in America. People are waking up to it.

It is part of our Western culture to admonish racist acts of violence against minorities. Obviously there is still a debate on whether or not it is "ok" to admonish racist acts of violence against whites.

This didn't get labeled a hate crime for racism, it got labeled one for the kid being special needs. They made no mention of his special needs in the video. They clearly were torturing him for his skin color, they made it crystal clear.

There have been multiple racist acts of violence committed by blacks against whites caught on film in the last year or so. Guess what? Not all racists voted for Trump. Not by a long shot.

 

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