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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2016, 01:01:57 PM »
No, NATO threatens Putin, and it protects millions of people living in free democracies from Putin's brutal authoritarianism.

If NATO hadn't continually expanded eastward after the fall of the Soviet Union, (something Russia had been assured it would not) then you would be right.

As it is you have NATO considering letting Ukraine in. Expecting Russia to do nothing about that is like expecting America to do nothing when China sets up military bases in Mexico.

America and NATO have been goading and antagonizing Russia for years. Hopefully Trump backs off this ridiculous course. Also, hopefully he doesn't accidentally nuke Canada.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2016, 01:11:55 PM »
America's the best country in the world. Mess with us, you're toast.


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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2016, 01:14:08 PM »
I would also like to see how Russia orchestrated Trump's win.

Ok. Here's a guy with one of the highest IQs ever recorded:

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/trumpcast/2016/12/more_worries_from_the_trump_putin_alliance.html

He's much smarter than Trump (the guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth), and much smarter than you or anyone else posting in this thread.

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This Russian man is considered to be the greatest chess player of all times. He was ranked world no. 1 for 225 times. This genius man in 2003 played against a chess computer that could calculate 3 million moves per second. The match was draw and Kasparov obliged his fans with his unmatched brilliance. Kasparov was the youngest undisputed World Chess Champion just at the age of 22. He has a world record for most number of consecutive victories and most number of Chess Oscars. Apart from being a chess player, he is also a writer and political activist.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2016, 02:02:38 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-an-evidence-free-cia-finding-alleging-russian-interference-in-the-us-election-was-turned-into-an-indisputable-truth/5563458


https://radio.foxnews.com/2016/12/20/mcgovern-a-disgruntled-bernie-supporter-probably-leaked-dnc-emails/#.WFpHYKCLudY.twitter

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Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.


Your source "rationalwiki" is known to have a strong leftist bias.

We live in a media matrix where powerful forces are competing to propagandize the world.

The best we can say is that some articles in rationalwiki are correct, some are'nt. Some stuff in globalresearch is correct, some isn't. Ultimately you have to judge an argument on its merits, not on which website it appears.
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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2016, 02:32:08 PM »
Ok. Here's a guy with one of the highest IQs ever recorded:

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/trumpcast/2016/12/more_worries_from_the_trump_putin_alliance.html


Speaking of Kasparov -
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/garrykaspa471951.html

                  At the end of the day, it's all about money.

                                                                      Garry Kasparov


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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2016, 03:33:15 PM »
He's a human rights activist because he wants money? (?_?)

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2016, 03:47:55 PM »
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-an-evidence-free-cia-finding-alleging-russian-interference-in-the-us-election-was-turned-into-an-indisputable-truth/5563458


https://radio.foxnews.com/2016/12/20/mcgovern-a-disgruntled-bernie-supporter-probably-leaked-dnc-emails/#.WFpHYKCLudY.twitter

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
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Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.


Your source "rationalwiki" is known to have a strong leftist bias.

We live in a media matrix where powerful forces are competing to propagandize the world.

The best we can say is that some articles in rationalwiki are correct, some are'nt. Some stuff in globalresearch is correct, some isn't. Ultimately you have to judge an argument on its merits, not on which website it appears.



The only people who find rationalwiki to have a strong leftwing bias are far right wingnuts. Coincidentally, Far left moonbats also find rationalwiki to have a strong rightwing bias. Funny that.

Post-truthers like yourself can howl at the moon all you like, but your sources are madcap conspiracy theorists.
Away an bile yer heid ya numpty,ye dinnae ken whit yer talkin aboot.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2016, 05:17:02 PM »
He's a human rights activist because he wants money? (?_?)

Most people and geopolitical events revolve around power and money.
Kasparov, despite being a chess champion, has a very narrow view, one which does not take into account the big picture.  Chomsky would kill him in that department anytime of the day.  By the way, Kasparov is not not a human rights activist - he is a political activist.



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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2016, 06:26:26 PM »
He's chairman of the Human Rights Foundation.

https://hrf.org

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2016, 06:45:28 PM »
He's chairman of the Human Rights Foundation.

https://hrf.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Foundation#HRF_advocacy_campaigns_by_country

Take a look at this foundation's country campaign list - USA isn't there.  Any human rights organization that is not being critical of the USA, is not worth discussing. 

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/united-states
Here is what Human rights watch has to say about USA in comparison.

Here is a lively discussion about the human rights foundation - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x13498
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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2016, 07:51:45 PM »
Are you kidding me?

Human rights organizations focus on ending the most egregious human rights violations around the world- as they should.

In terms of human rights, the U.S. is well above Russia. Sure, there are some problems- every country has problems. But for the overwhelming majority of good people living in America, they are not abused by the American government. In other bad countries though, those who criticize the president / government policies could wind up in jail.

Simply for being an opposing voice.

On the other hand, those in jail in America (the overwhelming majority at least) are there because they are a threat to others in society. Yes, I don't like drug laws; however, in the U.S. they are more lax than other countries and are becoming more lenient. Most people locked up in the U.S. (look at all incarceration overall) are there because they are violent and dangerous to others. Drug offenders (whose only crime was drug selling with no other violent crimes mixed in) are a small minority. Not too many prisoners in federal prison compared to other lock up places is something to note when searching stats.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2016, 08:00:57 PM »

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2016, 09:35:27 PM »
Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.


What claim did I make?

So you're saying CNN, NBC and the Washington Post are completely honest?

Well, if they actually did their jobs the way they are supposed to, sites like those I've
posted wouldn't exist and you know that's true.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/corporate-media-lies-death-suffering/

http://www.naturalnews.com/048714_mainstream_media_propaganda_lies.html

https://www.mintpressnews.com/fake-aleppo-genocide-pics-spread-amid-new-calls-for-war-on-syria/223306/

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2016, 09:40:21 PM »
Russia wants a Syria under Assad. So does Iran. Trump supports Russian support of Assad. Trump supports Israel. Israel does not want a united Syria and Iran.

Can't wait to see how Trump untangles this.

Huge diverse nations like the USA, Russia, and China need a powerful external threat to maintain control. It allows the Imperial Presidency to exist in the USA, for example. Think of South Korea. Without Japan and the USA to blame all of its woes on, who would be blamed? The last thing a nation really wants to do is try to maintain central power via an internal threat. The very goal is to unite people behind a strong central government, with power concentrated in the hands of the few or one. Internal threats can lead to civil wars, strife, Balkanization.

With the end of the Cold War, the external threats have been just silly (like Iraq) or, like the war on Islam, actually requires you to fight. You don't actually want to fight the war you want everyone to prepare for.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2016, 11:31:53 PM »
The only people who find rationalwiki to have a strong leftwing bias are far right wingnuts. Coincidentally, Far left moonbats also find rationalwiki to have a strong rightwing bias. Funny that.

Post-truthers like yourself can howl at the moon all you like, but your sources are madcap conspiracy theorists.

Stop frothing, you loon. You'll give yourself a nosebleed.

Any argument should be judged on its merits, not on which website it appears. Is that really too logical for you?

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With the end of the Cold War, the external threats have been just silly (like Iraq)

The neo-cons revived the cold war as soon as Reagan was out the door.

The globalist plan has always been to wear down any country that wants to remain independent. It defines any nation with its own foreign policy as an enemy.

The globalist game is to manipulate, bully, subvert or dominate other nations. To bring them into the fold whereby they become vassals of Washington.

But their agenda gets put on hold everytime the masses elect a leader who actually wants to work with other nations on equal terms (like Reagan or Trump).
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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2016, 01:36:37 AM »
I should say, this desire to have an external threat is as much bottom up as top down. It's not a cabal going "we need that ol' cold war back". People just move in old patterns and old ways. They nudge. And nudge. There's no one with their hand firmly on the ship of state's rudder. The rudder's direction is ad hoc and mostly a bottom up.

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2016, 02:11:23 AM »
It's not a cabal going "we need that ol' cold war back". People just move in old patterns and old ways.

What an innocent view you have of the world.

Evidence proves clearly there is a neo-con cabal (they talk about it themselves) and the unrelenting anti-Russia crusade by Washington is no accident.
Nothing in foreign policy is accidental.

Do you think Washingtons unilateral withdrawal from anti-proliferation treaties it had with Russia was accidental?

How about its changing of its nuclear philosophy from one of self defence to "first strike"?

Or its decision to build missile launchers in numerous countries bordering Russia. is that all just accidentally "moving in old ways"?

How about the mainstream medias blanket demonization of Russia and its leader, while ignoring terrible things in other countries?

Pushing Nato forces right up to Russias borders, starting training exercises and building up troop numbers in areas they never existed before. Is it "unintentional"?


Some suggested reading for you:

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Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War
Stephen F Cohen

In this wide-ranging and acclaimed book, Stephen F. Cohen challenges conventional wisdom about the course of Soviet and post-Soviet history. Reexamining leaders from Nikolai Bukharin, Stalin's preeminent opponent, and Nikita Khrushchev to Mikhail Gorbachev and his rival Yegor Ligachev, Cohen shows that their defeated policies were viable alternatives and that their tragic personal fates shaped the Soviet Union and Russia today. Cohen's ramifying arguments include that Stalinism was not the predetermined outcome of the Communist Revolution; that the Soviet Union was reformable and its breakup avoidable; and that the opportunity for a real post-Cold War relationship with Russia was squandered in Washington, not in Moscow. This is revisionist history at its best, compelling readers to rethink fateful events of the twentieth and early twenty-first centuries and the possibilities ahead.

In his new epilogue, Cohen expands his analysis of U.S. policy toward post-Soviet Russia, tracing its development in the Clinton and Obama administrations and pointing to its initiation of a "new Cold War" that, he implies, has led to a fateful confrontation over Ukraine.

https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Fates-Lost-Alternatives-Stalinism/dp/0231148976/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482516371&sr=1-1&keywords=soviet+fates+and+lost+alternatives

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The War Against Putin: What the Government-Media Complex Isn't Telling You About Russia
M.S. King

In the West, politicians and journalists of all stripes have referred to Russian President Vladimir Putin as a "thug", a "tyrant", a "murderer", a "Communist", a "Nazi", the next "Hitler" and more. But amongst the Russian people, his popularity rating has reached levels as high as 85%. There is even a very popular hit 'disco' song about him - 'A Man Like Putin'. So, who's right? Why such hatred for Vladimir Putin? Is it justified? Or has Putin been targeted merely for standing up the US-EU Axis of Internationalism? In clear, simple, powerful and concise language - supported by more than 100 illustrations - 'The War Against Putin' takes readers on an exciting 'crash course' journey from Russia's Medieval founding, through the days of the Czars, through the Communist Revolution and bloody Civil War, through Stalin & World War II, through the Cold War, through the Soviet collapse, through the Yeltsin disaster, and finally the Putin-led rebirth of the Russian nation. It is one of the "greatest stories never told", and will shed badly needed light on the new Russia, its dynamic leader, the dark forces aiming to bring about its demise, and maybe even World War III. Says Dr. William Carlucci: "I was glued to the edge of my seat with jaw wide open as I read this gem of a book from start to finish, in a single sitting. The clarity and simplicity with which King's masterpiece demystifies current events represents a rare ability to speak to the reader with entertaining and understandable prose. This piece really needs to go viral, and fast. 5 Huge Stars!"
https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Putin-Government-Media-Complex/dp/1500316261


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Are you kidding me?

Human rights organizations focus on ending the most egregious human rights violations around the world- as they should.

"Human rights" organizations are in many cases a front for the globalist agenda. They lie through their teeth. They do not help the victims on the ground, it is simply another UN cash cow and they portray a false picture of what is really happening.

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In terms of human rights, the U.S. is well above Russia

Why does Washington sponsor terrorists in Syria on a massive scale?

Why does their mainstream media tell non-stop lies about the reality of the situation in Syria? They literally publish fake pictures, fake interviews and fake sources nonstop.

The reality is that Most Syrians support their Assad government and that "moderate rebels" are in reality Isis-affiliated terrorists that butcher the local people.

The only pro-human rights activity happening on the ground is thanks to the Russian army that is busy liberating the country from foreign invading terrorists, providing humanitarian aid, de-mining and generally trying to restore the country to peace and order.

Here is a first-hand account, an authentic source from an independent journalist who spends time in Syria documenting the lies of the mainstream media.

If you want to know what is really happening in Syria, watch this:

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Eva Bartlett destroys mainstream media lies. What's really going on in Syria.

Full Press Conference at the United Nations. Against propaganda and regime change, for peace and national sovereignty. 9 December 2016, the Permanent Mission of the Syrian Arab Republic to the United Nations. Speakers: Dr. Bahman Azad, Member of the Coordinating Committee for the Hands Off Syria and Organization Secretary of US Peace Council, and Eva Bartlett, Independent Canadian Journalist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uap0GwBYdBA
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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2016, 09:10:44 AM »

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Re: Russia vs USA
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2016, 01:52:38 PM »
http://www.snopes.com/

Ah .. snopes..a totally unreliable sycophantic propaganda website for the Obama administration and Hilary Clinton. 

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https://www.channel4.com/

another left wing disinformation source.

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http://www.maryscullyreports.com/

Lol. mary scully is a well-known anti-Semitic communist.



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the Canadian who works for RT.

No.., she is independent. The fact that a journalist may sometimes contribute to a particular news outlet does not mean they are employed by them.

Did you even watch the video? Ms Bartlett backs up all her points with verifiable points  about how the mainstream media is lying about Syria.

ie She cites mainstream using a photo or interviewee for one story, then re-cycling it for an unrelated story months later. These are all checkable facts.


Why is the mainstream media lying about Syria? because they are pushing the globalist agenda of regime change. They want Syria to become another vassal state of Washington.
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