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McCain Gets it
« on: October 17, 2017, 07:29:47 PM »
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"To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain the last best hope of earth for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history," McCain said, to applause.

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"We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil," he continued. "... We have done great good in the world. That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did."

He added: "We have a moral obligation to continue in our just cause, and we would bring more than shame on ourselves if we don't. We will not thrive in a world where our leadership and ideals are absent. We wouldn't deserve to."

What say ye alt-right comrades?

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 07:59:53 PM »
I assume his 'Just Cause' is Iraq, Libya, Syria, and "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 08:30:08 PM »
I assume his 'Just Cause' is Iraq, Libya, Syria, and "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
Check in with Deputy Barney Fife regarding assume.

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 10:42:38 PM »
He mentions America abandoning its  ideals .  Some other stuff blah blah blah.

“When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity”
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Mccains patriotic.  That’s good.
But what ideals are being abandoned?  What is he talking about?  What are you talking about?   I bet you can’t spell it out either.   
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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 07:24:26 AM »
He mentions America abandoning its  ideals .  Some other stuff blah blah blah.

“When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity”
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Mccains patriotic.  That’s good.
But what ideals are being abandoned?  What is he talking about?  What are you talking about?   I bet you can’t spell it out either.
The ideals of freedom and equality to begin with.

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 09:40:35 AM »
He mentions America abandoning its  ideals .  Some other stuff blah blah blah.

“When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity”
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Mccains patriotic.  That’s good.
But what ideals are being abandoned?  What is he talking about?  What are you talking about?   I bet you can’t spell it out either.
White nationalists in a violent protest march are described by the President as "some very fine people" whereas black guys who are non-violent protestors against police brutality are sons of bitches.

That's not the abandonment of an ideal, that's its rape.  'Course, the dude is a sexual predator ...

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 09:55:24 AM »
I assume his 'Just Cause' is Iraq, Libya, Syria, and "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
Check in with Deputy Barney Fife regarding assume.

Are you seriously suggesting McCain wasn't strongly supportive of interventionism in those cases and he didn't do that "Bomb Iran" song to 'Barbara Ann'?

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 10:04:17 AM »
White nationalists in a violent protest march are described by the President as "some very fine people" whereas black guys who are non-violent protestors against police brutality are sons of bitches.

That's not the abandonment of an ideal, that's its rape.  'Course, the dude is a sexual predator ...

That's selective editing of his Charlottesville position and selectively ignoring the many times he has condemned white supremacy.  Look at Middle East protesters. Conservatives just label them all as anti-Semites and terrorists, but some I'm sure are fine people, they're just really frustrated. Many others are thugs and stand for a hateful ideology and need to be condemned for their violence, as Trump condemned them.

Turn this into an Israel-Palestine issue and suddenly the positions flip-flop and everyone gets bent out of shape the other way.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 12:26:45 PM »
The less America is involved in solving other countries' problems the better. McCain has converted to neoconservatism and probably fantasizes about America regressing to the George W. Bush era.

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 12:30:15 PM »
I heard Bill Cosby was also highly critical of Trump.  We got allies, peeps! 

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 12:40:16 PM »

Here's someone who really gets it:

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Rumor has it that Bannon will start a Breitbart TV channel to rival Fox News. Given the success of YouTube- / pod-casters like Joe Rogan (5 million downloads per episode), it's plausible this could be done with very modest capex (the channel could start out as pure streaming and only go to cable later). Billionaire Robert Mercer (Renaissance Technologies) is a likely backer.

(The headline above actually appeared on the front page of the Huffington Post when it was announced that Bannon would leave the White House. It was quickly replaced with the headline White Flight -- swing state voters and 2018 midterm election voters will not forget either headline, I predict.)

Bannon's new channel can denounce Richard Spencer, Nazis, KKK, etc. but still push economic nationalism and even mild white identity slogans like  white people have rights, too  or  everyone should be treated as an individual, based on merit ... (gee, that last one seems pretty principled... maybe they could add something catchy like the content of their character or something like that).

They can keep winning on a populist platform with just 4 messages:

1. Economic Nationalism
2. No foreign wars
3. Reform immigration
4. Stop PC excesses


Again, not really to the right of Fox, but just more consistent and less corporate GOP ("cuck") content. Tucker Carlson and Hannity could move to the new network without changing their schtick in the slightest.

Mercer would be smart to back this based entirely on financial ROI. There is massive pent-up demand: Trump got about half the popular vote, but currently no major media outlet is aligned with the views of his supporters.
http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-bannon-channel.html

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 12:46:43 PM »
White nationalists in a violent protest march are described by the President as "some very fine people" whereas black guys who are non-violent protestors against police brutality are sons of bitches.

That's not the abandonment of an ideal, that's its rape.  'Course, the dude is a sexual predator ...

That's selective editing of his Charlottesville position and selectively ignoring the many times he has condemned white supremacy. 
No it isn't.  It was painfully difficult for him to make even the weak condemnation of them that he managed, and then he pretty much took it all back at his next speech.  You're the one being selective.

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Look at Middle East protesters. Conservatives just label them all as anti-Semites and terrorists, but some I'm sure are fine people, they're just really frustrated. Many others are thugs and stand for a hateful ideology and need to be condemned for their violence, as Trump condemned them.

Turn this into an Israel-Palestine issue and suddenly the positions flip-flop and everyone gets bent out of shape the other way.
Dude, what the hell are you talking about?!? No one is talking about the freaking Middle East here, so stop it.

You can't defend the cretinous circus peanut, we get it.  Stop trying to change the subject.

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Re: McCain Gets it
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 12:59:18 PM »
I assume his 'Just Cause' is Iraq, Libya, Syria, and "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
Check in with Deputy Barney Fife regarding assume.

Are you seriously suggesting McCain wasn't strongly supportive of interventionism in those cases and he didn't do that "Bomb Iran" song to 'Barbara Ann'?
Can you describe in detail your service to the US? I can dance with your derail.

How about your new hero, Pat Buchanan the racist xenophobe?

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 01:00:48 PM »
The less America is involved in solving other countries' problems the better. McCain has converted to neoconservatism and probably fantasizes about America regressing to the George W. Bush era.
While you fantasize about a return to slavery. I'll take McCain's.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 01:02:47 PM »
White nationalists in a violent protest march are described by the President as "some very fine people" whereas black guys who are non-violent protestors against police brutality are sons of bitches.

That's not the abandonment of an ideal, that's its rape.  'Course, the dude is a sexual predator ...

That's selective editing of his Charlottesville position and selectively ignoring the many times he has condemned white supremacy.  Look at Middle East protesters. Conservatives just label them all as anti-Semites and terrorists, but some I'm sure are fine people, they're just really frustrated. Many others are thugs and stand for a hateful ideology and need to be condemned for their violence, as Trump condemned them.

Turn this into an Israel-Palestine issue and suddenly the positions flip-flop and everyone gets bent out of shape the other way.
"Oh, don't knock all Nazis. Some are fine people. They just got frustrated."

Trump didn't condemn them. He made excuses--the other side did it too, mommy.